Re: Debian / Repositories / Packages

2010-04-26 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 07:29:03AM +0200, Piotrek P wrote:
 Hello there!
 I would like to ask about some debian packages thing. On site
 packages.debian.org we can find all official packages and theirs depends.
 How should I know what depend should I install first to install another and
 the another up to last one? Is there any list? For example... when I try to
 install xorg I am able to download all packages that are needed but making
 dpkg -i *.deb sometimes give me error about depends. Wheny trying dpkg -i
 *.deb once again, it all goes well. I can reproduce this error for xorg if
 needed.

If you use the high-level package managers (apt-get, aptitude, synaptic ...)
they will solve these dependencies for you automatically.

For further questions please ask the debian-us...@lists.debian.org list.


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debian.ch AGM 2010 on 2010-05-20

2010-04-26 Thread Daniel Baumann

Hi all,

this is the announcement of the AGM 2010 of debian.ch:

  Date:  Thursday, 20th May 2010
  Time:  20:00-21:00 (CEST aka +0200)
  Place: irc://irc.debian.org/debian.ch (OFTC)


Current (temporary) Agenda
==

Apart from the anually re-occuring things from every AGM (e.g. the 
reports and elections[0]), the current temporary agenda contains the 
following additional items:


Bylaws:
  - dba: Updating bylaws to current state of the art of legal writing

The actuary proposes a new edition of the bylaws that are worded in
the current lege artis, a longer mail with the diffs should be sent
to commun...@lists.debian.ch before the final announcement of the
AGM 2010. The proposed new bylaws will not change anything in
substance though.

  - dba: Accepting bylaws translated to English as legally binding

The actuary is doing a translation of the proposed new bylaws
from German to English. Assuming the revised bylaws are accepted,
he proposes to accept the English translation as legally binding
alternative to the German ones. The translation should be sent
to the mailinglist together with the revised bylaws (see above).

Italian and French translations could be initiated after AGM 2010,
assuming a qualified person can be found to create the translations,
they could be declared as legally binding as well. Otherwise, they
would stay as informal and unofficial translations for the time
being (Luca and Didier already expressed their interest in probably
doing that during AGM 2009).

  - dba: Changing the legal seat from Zurich to Bern.

The actuary proposes to move the legal seat from Zurich to Bern,
both for legal and political reasons.

  - dba: Write down in the protocol the reminder, that bylaws should be
kept 'stable' for the next future, by not being tempted to put
non-useful/non-required stuff inside.

  - mfk: revise membership:
+ membership should only be automatic for DDs with permanent
  residence in Switzerland
+ other DDs, and non-DDs with advocations, need to show up at the
  AGM when their membership is to be decided and introduce
  themselves, travel will (better: can) be funded.

  - mfk/ip(?): voluntary membership fee


Note about submitting items for the Agenda
==

Any member of debian.ch can submit items for the agenda either at 
anytime in advance, or at the AGM itself. However, all items of 
relevance must be announced properly, items of relevance brought up at 
the AGM cannot valid be voted upon. The deadline for items of relevance 
for the AGM 2010 is 2010-05-05 23:59:59 +0200.


Any non-member of debian.ch cannot directly submit items to the agenda, 
but indirectly by suggesting them to the actuary at i...@debian.ch or 
any other member instead.



Final Agenda


The final agenda for the AGM 2010 will be sent on 2010-06-06.


Regards,
Daniel

[0] unless someone is extraordinarily stepping back from the board,
there will be no elections on AGM 2010 since we've done elections
for 2010 already on AGM 2009.

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Re: Welcome to our 2010 Debian Google Summer of Code students!

2010-04-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 26 avril 2010 à 21:40 +0200, Obey Arthur Liu a écrit : 
 == Debian High Performance Computing on Clouds ==
 by Dominique Belhachemi, mentored by Steffen Moeller
 
 The project paves a way to combine the demands in high performance
 computing with the dynamics of compute clouds with Debian. Combining
 the Eucalyptus cloud computing infrastructure with the TORQUE resource
 manager and preparing the components for dynamically added and removed
 instances provides the user with a attractive high performance
 computing environment. Such a system allows users to share resources
 with large compute centers with minimal changes in their workflow and
 scripts.

Sorry but I have to object to a project that is based on non-free
software. Especially when we have free and superior packages in the
archive that provide similar functionality.

Cheers,
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Re: Welcome to our 2010 Debian Google Summer of Code students!

2010-04-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 26 avril 2010 à 23:12 +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit : 
 Le lundi 26 avril 2010 à 21:40 +0200, Obey Arthur Liu a écrit : 
  == Debian High Performance Computing on Clouds ==
  by Dominique Belhachemi, mentored by Steffen Moeller
  
  The project paves a way to combine the demands in high performance
  computing with the dynamics of compute clouds with Debian. Combining
  the Eucalyptus cloud computing infrastructure with the TORQUE resource
  manager and preparing the components for dynamically added and removed
  instances provides the user with a attractive high performance
  computing environment. Such a system allows users to share resources
  with large compute centers with minimal changes in their workflow and
  scripts.
 
 Sorry but I have to object to a project that is based on non-free
 software. Especially when we have free and superior packages in the
 archive that provide similar functionality.

Michael Bank just explained to me privately that the Torque license is
actually more free than it used to be. And while it has very obnoxious
restrictions, it sounds like something that could be accepted in main.
So provided that the FTP masters give their approval to it, I will have
to retract that objection.

That said, I retain my stance on the technical superiority of other
software (like slurm-llnl) over torque. I don’t see anything in the
proposal that justifies using a software which is a bit outdated and
with a blurry license per se - but if the student knows it better, it
also makes sense.

Cheers,
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Re: Welcome to our 2010 Debian Google Summer of Code students!

2010-04-26 Thread Steffen Möller
On 04/26/2010 11:12 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
 Le lundi 26 avril 2010 à 21:40 +0200, Obey Arthur Liu a écrit : 
 == Debian High Performance Computing on Clouds ==
 by Dominique Belhachemi, mentored by Steffen Moeller

 The project paves a way to combine the demands in high performance
 computing with the dynamics of compute clouds with Debian. Combining
 the Eucalyptus cloud computing infrastructure with the TORQUE resource
 manager and preparing the components for dynamically added and removed
 instances provides the user with a attractive high performance
 computing environment. Such a system allows users to share resources
 with large compute centers with minimal changes in their workflow and
 scripts.
 
 Sorry but I have to object to a project that is based on non-free
 software. Especially when we have free and superior packages in the
 archive that provide similar functionality.

You are probably refering to Torque. I had some difficulties about
their license but finally came to the conclusion that it is actually
DFSG compatible. The respective upload is overdue, I admit.

If there is something you see the need to be discussed, then feel
free to do so.

Torque to me is something that I feel comfortable with. It could also
be Sun Grid Engine or something else. If we are successful then we
have learned and documented enough to become fairly flexible with
the batch system to use.

Steffen


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