Re: Debian hardware certification
[Thomas Goirand] The plan would be to test the hardware (probably with a live CD using a KVM over IP). If it doesn't work, see what driver isn't present, and if the backported kernel has the fix. If it does, in some cases, we could add a patch in a Debian point release, if it's not too intrusive. I once wrote this check list to test new machines (quickly translated from Norwegian). Perhaps it can be the start of a test framework? Follow these steps to test a new computer model: 1) Boot live DVD or install machine via PXE and boot the resulting installation (we had PXE set up in the network where this was done). 2) If the KDE desktop show up, then the video card is working with X.org. If a small sound is played when KDE is started, the sound card is working. 3) Start a web browser, and visit a web site, for example http://www.skolelinux.org/. If this is working, the network card is working. 4) Choose Science Math-Stellarium from the K menu, and see if the program have quick response. If this is OK, the accelerated 3D graphics support is working. 5) Plug in a USB stick. If a popup show up after a while, the USB subsystem is working. 6) Run nvram-wakeup as root to see if the motherboard and BIOS version is supported. The last point were included because we wanted the ability to shut down machines in the evening and turn them automatically on in the morning. Checklist: [ ] machine boots [ ] X.org video driver working [ ] X.org 3D acceleration working [ ] sound card working [ ] network card working [ ] usb subsystem working [ ] nvram-wakeup supported This cover the most vital parts of a computer. It should probably be extended for laptops and other kinds of hardware. Having a hardware certified program would increase adoption of Debian among server users. It will also help Debian fans to buy the correct hardware they need. Certification have some risks regarding how people view the certification and the project doing it, if problems show up after the test is done (with new versions of the software, or changes to the hardware), and one need to have a clear plan on who is responsible for fixing any such problesm. Happy hacking, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2flr57rghxe@login2.uio.no
Re: Debian hardware certification
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 01:02:23PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: And here's my follow-up with some of the answers: On 05/21/2011 08:00 PM, Bastian Blank wrote: You realize that you just leaked d-private without asking first? They can already declare Debian a supported system. They have to do the support for that and can work with Debian to get the work done. That's what we were discussing. Who should they get in touch with? I am not aware of any front desk for such hardware certification. No, this is not. It is a difference if _they_ declare that Debian works on a given machine or if _we_ do it. [ Not longer an answer to my mail ] are you aware that all of the supermicro motherboards with built-in KVM-over-IP functionality provide that functionality with the support of an on-board processor which runs an embedded linux-based system? Some informations about the management system as shipped with a H8QG8: - Linux 2.6._24_ - Busybox 1.1.3 - Dropbear 0.50 - IPMI server as _kernel module_ - Standard X509 cert with supp...@ami.com as e-mail and expired _five_ years ago This system need some serious overhaul to even let it even near an open network and a proper update mechanism. Bastian -- Ahead warp factor one, Mr. Sulu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110522140016.ga7...@wavehammer.waldi.eu.org
Re: Linuxtag Germany (Berlin) 2011 -- recap
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 10:45:38PM +0200, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote:
All in all, that were great four days. I don't know about official
numbers about visitors or anything. But I do know that we all had fun,
that we've met new, interesting people as well as the old guys from
the last few years. I'd like to thank Annette for making the effort and
organizing everything, Alex for shipping the merch stuff to us, and --
of course -- all our helpers at the booth, be that DDs or total newbies.
I can't list them all -- sorry -- but rest assured, we've had an
interesting, refreshing, and big team of about 10 to 15 people everyday
who offered their help. Everyone (as far as I know) was free to see
whatever talk they liked (except for Zack's talk that everyone wanted to
hear), and we still kept the booth running. Thanks to all of you who
registered on the wiki page [3] so we were able to plan; thanks to all
who just jumped in whenever it seemed neccessary. And special thanks to
those who worked just as hard and literally just started getting to know
Debian better!
... and, while we are at it, thanks for this report Jan. I always found
amazing to read about community feedback at events where Debian is
present in person. I sometime do a lousy job at reporting about the
events I attend on behalf of Debian (shame on me!), but reading reports
like this one reminds me how useful they are. Please keep them coming
and encourage other Debian representatives at events to do the same.
For what concerns my own LinuxTag recap, I've unfortunately being able
to attend only one day (Thursday) due to family and work business.
Nonetheless I've been amazed by the warm welcome of LinuxTag-ers for
Debian, something I've also experienced in past LinuxTag editions. Even
though my talk has been scheduled in a not entirely appropriate track,
i.e. the business application track [1], and on a non week-end day,
the room was quite packed and people seem to have appreciated yet
another edition of the song dance in spreading the verb about Debian's
grand role in the ecosystem of Free software. Various people told me
they were looking forward to attend the other two Debian-related talk by
Alexander and Moritz (see [2] for pointers to the various Debian-related
events at LinuxTag 2011).
To conclude and disclose, I hereby thank LinuxTag organization for
sponsoring my travel attendance to the conference.
Cheers.
[1] which had me juggling a bit with my slides and speech on the
relationships among Debian and businesses
[2] 20110511103627.gb12...@melusine.alphascorpii.net
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Re: Debian hardware certification
On 05/22/2011 10:00 PM, Bastian Blank wrote: On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 01:02:23PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: And here's my follow-up with some of the answers: On 05/21/2011 08:00 PM, Bastian Blank wrote: You realize that you just leaked d-private without asking first? Gosh, no I didn't. Sorry for that. There wasn't anything personal or private in this thread, so I hope nobody will mind... Never the less, it's very bad practice, I hope I will remember. They can already declare Debian a supported system. They have to do the support for that and can work with Debian to get the work done. That's what we were discussing. Who should they get in touch with? I am not aware of any front desk for such hardware certification. No, this is not. It is a difference if _they_ declare that Debian works on a given machine or if _we_ do it. The point is to have a system so that manufacturers can write this system supports Debian. If they don't want to do the work, we could, and help each other by having a list of hardware that is known to work with Debian, and a list of hardware with issues. If they do, it's best, and IMHO we should help. Finally, I believe we should have a central point on Debian's website so that this can happen. Maybe a wiki page might be a good start, until we setup something better. are you aware that all of the supermicro motherboards with built-in KVM-over-IP functionality provide that functionality with the support of an on-board processor which runs an embedded linux-based system? Some informations about the management system as shipped with a H8QG8: - Linux 2.6._24_ - Busybox 1.1.3 - Dropbear 0.50 - IPMI server as _kernel module_ - Standard X509 cert with supp...@ami.com as e-mail and expired _five_ years ago This system need some serious overhaul to even let it even near an open network and a proper update mechanism. Right, it's quite scary. I got the exact same version for at least the Linux kernel and busybox on my X8STi-F boards. Upgrading to the latest firmware doesn't help, I've tried... Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dd92dbd.3040...@debian.org
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