Debian page at Google+
Hi! I have created a Debian Google+ page, DISCLAIMER, this page is not meant to be a Debian official one since Google+ is a non free service, but I wanted to share some things about it and have some public email in Debian lists for people wondering about the 'officiality' of this page and others pages (this one is unlikely to be the only Debian page in Google+ since everybody can create pages about the topics they want) I did create the page yesterday night for the sake of testing and see the posibilities. While there are still some things missing (like multiple admins), I happen to like G+ and I would like to have some Debian presence there. My first plan was to see if it was possible to have the content from http://identi.ca/debian automatically mirrored there (as somebody else does with http://twitter.com/debian), alas it is still not possible. Since there seem to be some demand there (the page has 300 followers while writing these lines), I am planning to mirror there the stuff from identi.ca at least. Maybe add any information I think it can be interesting to Debian users (If you are a G+ user publishing something about Debian that you would like to see reshared there, please tell me). Ana PS: BTW, the page is at https://plus.google.com/111711190057359692089/posts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2008133059.ga30...@pryan.ekaia.org
Re: Debian page at Google+
do they allow now project G+ pages? or we just need to wait until Debian would get killed there due to not being a real official name of a human being ? On Tue, 08 Nov 2011, Ana Guerrero wrote: I have created a Debian Google+ page, DISCLAIMER, this page is not meant to be a Debian official one since Google+ is a non free service, but I wanted to share some things about it and have some public email in Debian lists for people wondering about the 'officiality' of this page and others pages (this one is unlikely to be the only Debian page in Google+ since everybody can create pages about the topics they want) -- =--= Keep in touch www.onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko www.ohloh.net/accounts/yarikoptic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2008135937.gf8...@onerussian.com
Re: Debian page at Google+
Dear Yaroslav, Yaroslav Halchenko schrieb am 08.11.2011 14:59: do they allow now project G+ pages? or we just need to wait until Debian would get killed there due to not being a real official name of a human being ? they do allow that now: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/11/google-pages-connect-with-all-things.html (via http://h-online.com/-1375016). Kind regards, Kai Wasserbäch -- E-Mail: cu...@debian.org IRC: Curan Jabber: dri...@debianforum.de URL: http://wiki.debian.org/C%C3%B9ran GnuPG: 0xE1DE59D2 0600 96CE F3C8 E733 E5B6 1587 A309 D76C E1DE 59D2 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Security guidelines for Debian people
Hi, Am Sonntag, den 30.10.2011, 17:33 + schrieb Lars Wirzenius: * Store your master PGP keys on at least two USB thumb drives. - use full-disk encryption on the drives - don't use them for anything else given that PGP already protects keys with passphrases, what is the benefit of adding another layer of crypto? Is the protection GPG offers via the passphrase not sufficient? Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer nome...@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nome...@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Debian page at Google+
Hi! On 11/08/2011 02:30 PM, Ana Guerrero wrote: I have created a Debian Google+ page, DISCLAIMER, this page is not meant to be a Debian official one since Google+ is a non free service, but I wanted to share some things about it and have some public email in Debian lists for people wondering about the 'officiality' of this page and others pages (this one is unlikely to be the only Debian page in Google+ since everybody can create pages about the topics they want) For me it doesn't matter if G+ is non-free or not, being able to share our news for free should be enough that we want to do so. I would suggest to make it official. As it seems it is possible to ask google to remove pages which seem to represent an organization although they are not created by somebody from that organization. I think we should do that for the Debian page, at least for trademark reasons. Cheers, Bernd -- Bernd ZeimetzDebian GNU/Linux Developer http://bzed.dehttp://www.debian.org GPG Fingerprints: ECA1 E3F2 8E11 2432 D485 DD95 EB36 171A 6FF9 435F -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4eb95e59.2020...@bzed.de
Re: Debian page at Google+
Le 08/11/2011 12:52, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit : For me it doesn't matter if G+ is non-free or not It does for our project, I would highly prefer to keep a clear statement that “there's no official Debian page”, as already done in another existing non-free social networks [0]. I think we should do that for the Debian page, at least for trademark reasons. Should we also buy the debian.xxx domain or any other weird stuff where we could put our name on ? I don't think so… 0: http://lists.debian.org/debian-publicity/2011/01/msg00034.html Regards David signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
private email aliases considered harmful (Re: bits from the DPL for September 2011)
Le 2011-10-09 09:48, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : [...] - I've made the private email aliases considered harmful point [10], in a somehow unrelated thread. I ask you to watch out for interactions in Debian that could happen only through private email addresses. There are some cases where they are warranted (e.g. security or privacy concerns), but having regular activities of a team going through private email aliases harms us in so many ways. Thank you Stefano. I agree, transparency in communications is very powerful, we should try hard to be as transparent as possible. One of the primary points which attracted me to Debian was its transparency, which was mostly achieved through the issue tracking system. I am very dissatisfied to see that years after I switched, some of our critical contact points are still using private email aliases (rather than the BTS, public mailing lists, or something else). Please point me to project areas that could benefit from improvements on this front, ... unless you can just go ahead and fix the issue! I had several problems with the BTS a few years ago. The main contact point for the BTS being a private email alias, it took me a very long time to realize that the team had chronic issues. And, when I realized it, it took me a very long time to investigate these. Of course, one of the first resources to contact when teams break should be project leadership. Project leadership has been conducting a survey of teams, hoping to detect problems just like the BTS team's. Preliminary results were published in June 2008, but I haven't heard about the survey since. I asked lea...@debian.org for an update on the teams survey in March 2010, but am still waiting for an answer. Project leadership also has the black box issue, apparently even more than the BTS team. In fact, I waited to hear from private email aliases for years. When time came to go further, I no longer had the free time and motivation to tackle sizable issues like team breakage. Meaning the problem with the BTS team probably persists, and is probably affecting other people. I can only hope some will be less patient than I was towards private email aliases. I believe the first thing to do is to make project leadership transparent. For as long as the constitution will give it such a crucial role, and as long as it will be so low on resources compared to the project's size, the team has high risks of seeing its performance degrade to sub-optimal levels. It often got minimal (if not worst) for fairly damaging durations. On one hand, using a private email alias is less problematic for teams with a clearly identified leader, as it's easier to see when such teams break. On the other hand, teams with few people are more fragile, and overloaded teams are also more fragile. If it takes say a year to investigate a black box, that means with yearly elections we could be investigating the team full time. The fact that private email aliases make it so hard to even detect team breakage is the most important problem for me. Even though the project is mostly transparent, there is a surprising number of private email aliases still in use. And it's not too hard to find some, if you just look at http://www.debian.org/intro/organization and search for @debian.org. Several teams which are regularly discussed do match that pattern. DSA appears to be a more complicated case: http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DSA Of the 3 contact methods: * debian-ad...@debian.org mailto:debian-ad...@debian.org is clearly private * debian-ad...@lists.debian.org mailto:debian-ad...@debian.org (the contact address on the organization page) appears to be for non-confidential purposes, but the list seems to be private * The team also has a request tracker, which the documentation ( http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DSA/RTUsage ) suggests is public, but it also appears to be private listmaster, which uses the address listmas...@lists.debian.org, is a misleading case. That address doesn't actually correspond to a mailing list. So lots of opportunities for improvement. Some teams simply have a composition that refuses accountability. Others, like project leadership, should be fairly easy to make [more] transparent. Some teams deal with confidential information and shouldn't simply get public. Such teams could use having different contact points (like DSA appears to intend to have) depending on the topic. For some of these, only a minority of activities are sensitive. It would be great if our issue tracking system would support confidentiality, but let's not wait for that to happen. Teams exclusively using a private email alias which do not refuse accountability should choose between a public mailing list and an issue tracker and, depending on their activities, implement it as either their new single contact method, their preferred contact method or as
Re: Debian page at Google+
On Tue, Nov 08, 2011 at 02:30:59PM +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: Since there seem to be some demand there (the page has 300 followers while writing these lines), I am planning to mirror there the stuff from identi.ca at least. Hum. Just my $.02, but I think that makes it significantly less useful. If I wanted to follow identi.ca, I would follow identi.ca - the value to me of G+ is that it's *not* a microblogging stream. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: private email aliases considered harmful (Re: bits from the DPL for September 2011)
On Tue, 08 Nov 2011, Filipus Klutiero wrote: I had several problems with the BTS a few years ago. The main contact point for the BTS being a private email alias, Just as a side note, anyone who can log into a Debian machine and who actually wants to read the mail to ow...@bugs.debian.org can do so by logging into busoni.debian.org, and reading /srv/bugs.debian.org/mail/owner/owner*. We have archives of all mail since some time in 2002 there. Don Armstrong -- [T]he question of whether Machines Can Think, [...] is about as relevant as the question of whether Submarines Can Swim. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra The threats to computing science http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2008183417.gn19...@rzlab.ucr.edu
Re: Debian page at Google+
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: Hum. Just my $.02, but I think that makes it significantly less useful. If I wanted to follow identi.ca, I would follow identi.ca - the value to me of G+ is that it's *not* a microblogging stream. Why isn't it? I use it exactly like I used identi.ca. Fab
Re: Debian page at Google+
On Tue, Nov 08, 2011 at 07:26:15PM +0100, Fabian A. Scherschel wrote: On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: Hum. Just my $.02, but I think that makes it significantly less useful. If I wanted to follow identi.ca, I would follow identi.ca - the value to me of G+ is that it's *not* a microblogging stream. Why isn't it? I use it exactly like I used identi.ca. Fab ---end quoted text--- Because it's for social engagement. :) Don't just autopost shite there, it's less than useful and I can find that on twitter or ident.ca. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2008222407.ga26...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
