Re: OSI affiliation
Philip Hands p...@hands.com wrote: [...] So whatever we might think about the merits of the Open Source term, it hardly seems like a step forward to render such references into hanging links just at the point where policy makers are starting to get the message. I agree with Phil. That is why my preference is for OSI to merge into a continuing non-zombie group that could maintain web links and so on. Much better to try to ensure that that licenses list is actually sane, which is something we may be able to do something about if we affiliate, [...] There is no evidence for that yet. It's vapourware, isn't it? Or is there some secret OSI-promises-to-reform-in-consultation-with-us part of the proposed affiliation terms that I've missed? Even worse, this sounds like the sort of constructive engagement nonsense which is failing to change Big Oil, Big Power and things like that (= no change for them, except they have access to supposedly-ethical/activist investment funds). This is backwards. Could interested debian developers go help reform OSI and then, once it's reformed, suggest that the project affiliates? [...] P.S. I encourage people to respond to the consultation mentioned above. It actually looks pretty good. [...] I agree with Phil. Maybe some ideas/tips will be thrown around on http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/fsfe-uk/ before the consultation closes. Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e1rylm8-0004zd...@petrol.towers.org.uk
Re: OSI affiliation
Le lundi 13 février 2012 à 18:40 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : Dear project members, as you might have heard post-FOSDEM, the Open Source Initiative (OSI) is opening up to an affiliate membership structure [1,2]. As I've already mentioned in [3], representatives of OSI have approached me to know if Debian is interested into joining. I'd like to discuss with you such a possibility. This looks very good on paper, but as others have mentioned, the OSI has taken various decisions that were in complete contradiction with the Debian project, especially on accepting non-free licenses as “open source”. While it would be nice to see their decision process evolve to become saner on this matter, I’m very worried to see Debian’s name used to condone licenses we would not accept. Therefore, having an advisor from the Project at OSI would be nice, but in no situation should Debian’s name be affiliated with OSI until we have seen over several years that their behavior has effectively changed, and that “open source” certifications for non-free licenses have been revoked. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1329484159.3297.818.camel@pi0307572
Re: OSI affiliation
On 02/17/2012 08:39 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote: This looks very good on paper, but as others have mentioned, the OSI has taken various decisions that were in complete contradiction with the Debian project, especially on accepting non-free licenses as “open source”. While it would be nice to see their decision process evolve to become saner on this matter, I’m very worried to see Debian’s name used to condone licenses we would not accept. Therefore, having an advisor from the Project at OSI would be nice, but in no situation should Debian’s name be affiliated with OSI until we have seen over several years that their behavior has effectively changed, and that “open source” certifications for non-free licenses have been revoked. Hi Josselin, Just to give context to your email, could you provide a list with the OSI-approved licenses that you call non-free? (Maybe a link) That way every one else knows which licenses are you talking about exactly. Regards. -- Jose Luis Rivas - GPG: 0x7C4DF50D / 0xCACAB118 The Debian Project Developer -- http://ghostbar.ath.cx Barquisimeto, Venezuela signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: who is going to Northeast GNU/Linux fest ?
Dear Jonathan, could you share some information about the table -- approximate size/shape (round or regular rectangular) and either it would have some power sockets. I am starting to think how to organize it ;) Thank you in advance! ;) We would love to have Debian at the conference and you will have a table there. If there is anything else you need let me know. Thanks and look forward to seeing you and other Debian members. -- =--= Keep in touch www.onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko www.ohloh.net/accounts/yarikoptic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120217182918.gg16...@onerussian.com
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Your biggest achievement during past DebConfs (aka new DebConf promoting campaign)
]] Joey Hess Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: Are you sure the first successful installation of Debian happened during DebConf3? I remember giving a talk about Skolelinux at that conference and how Skolelinux used d-i to automate the Debian installation. During the talk I ran the installation as a demonstration, and I suspect I would not have tried to do this if I had not done a d-i installation before DebConf3. But my memory is flaky, so I just wanted to ask if anyone remember when d-i actually was able to install Debian for the first time. d-i was being used to install Skolelinux, at least as a proof of concept, a little before Debconf, but not to install Debian as far as I know. I had certianly not seen d-i install Debian before that point. I did the first installation using d-i a few months before DC3, iirc. I'm currently unable to find the IRC log where I told you about it, though. -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87aa4huoul@qurzaw.varnish-software.com
Re: OSI affiliation
Jose Luis Rivas ghost...@debian.org Just to give context to your email, could you provide a list with the OSI-approved licenses that you call non-free? (Maybe a link) That way every one else knows which licenses are you talking about exactly. http://people.debian.org/~mjr/legal/fsf-osi-list-diff.txt shows the ones where OSI and FSF disagree, but what's the point of knowing which are involved? Basically, OSI has aided proliferation. Regards -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e1rywui-00076b...@petrol.towers.org.uk
