Re: Code of Conduct: picking up
Wouter Verhelst writes ("Re: Code of Conduct: picking up"):
> [some stuff]
I would just like to say:
Well done, Wouter, for such an excellent and mature response to a
difficult situation. You are setting a good example for us all.
> They have been rejected, because I was not convinced they were helpful,
> very much like I have also rejected Ian's comments in
> <21113.15690.515617.241...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> that the text should
> be much (*much*) shorter, because both of you didn't convince me.
Please keep up the good work.
Thanks,
Ian.
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DMUP, and USENET news service
I read http://www.debian.org/devel/dmup in that: | Debian does not have any Usenet news servers. It may be that some of | the Debian machines have access to such a news server, but their use | through Debian machines is strictly forbidden. I would like to offer reader access to my news server, if that would be something that DSA would think useful. I guess the Debian machines all have reverse DNS of the form *.debian.org, and matching forward DNS. I already control access by DNS and IP address, so this wouldn't be any reduction in security for my system. I wouldn't want to deal with requests from individual developers for changes to the access control list, so this would involve either running the news client on debian.org machines, or ssh port forwarding or the like. If this is something that you would support please let me know and I will make the appropriate change to my access control list. Mor information about chiark's news service is here: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~news/ Thanks, Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/21144.42732.631199.531...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Re: Code of Conduct: picking up
Enrico Zini schrieb am Friday, den 29. November 2013: > On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:19:57PM +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > > > > > Following the Code of Conduct I will probably be punished for making > > > > jokes about the different gender, different religion, different > > > > political opinion, and maybe even different OS. Where is the border, > > > > where is the limit. > > > > This is true. While many of such jokes are probably something > > undesirable, some people go actively against any and all jokes > > of that matter (I’ve had that Arabic script crashing Apple’s > > text thingy in my .sig for a while, and got told off for it > > very brusquely, so I had to remember to actively switch .sig > > for when writing to Debian lists; and there are other cases > > that aren’t even that “offensive”). > > As was pointed out at the time, that was not a violation of some code of > conduct, but a violation of the DMUP[1], which you were supposed to have > read, understood and signed the moment you became a Debian Developer. > > The DMUP is not a ritual about politeness, but a prerequisite that makes > it possible for Debian to run its infrastructure. > > I invite you to please take a moment to read it again. Further mistakes > of that kind from you will not be tolerated, as far as I am concerned. we (listmasters) thought indeed if we should just ban him for some time. I am pretty that this will happen next time. Alex -- Alexander Wirt, formo...@formorer.de CC99 2DDD D39E 75B0 B0AA B25C D35B BC99 BC7D 020A -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131129135034.gd10...@hawking.credativ.lan
Re: Code of Conduct: picking up
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:19:57PM +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > > > Following the Code of Conduct I will probably be punished for making > > > jokes about the different gender, different religion, different > > > political opinion, and maybe even different OS. Where is the border, > > > where is the limit. > > This is true. While many of such jokes are probably something > undesirable, some people go actively against any and all jokes > of that matter (I’ve had that Arabic script crashing Apple’s > text thingy in my .sig for a while, and got told off for it > very brusquely, so I had to remember to actively switch .sig > for when writing to Debian lists; and there are other cases > that aren’t even that “offensive”). As was pointed out at the time, that was not a violation of some code of conduct, but a violation of the DMUP[1], which you were supposed to have read, understood and signed the moment you became a Debian Developer. The DMUP is not a ritual about politeness, but a prerequisite that makes it possible for Debian to run its infrastructure. I invite you to please take a moment to read it again. Further mistakes of that kind from you will not be tolerated, as far as I am concerned. [1] http://www.debian.org/devel/dmup Ciao, Enrico -- GPG key: 4096R/E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico Zini signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Re: Code of Conduct: picking up
]] Thorsten Glaser > On Thu, 28 Nov 2013, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > > You mean you were using Debian resources to spread malware, and it seems > > You’re ridiculous. That’s not malware and cannot spread either «Malware, short for malicious software, is software used to disrupt computer operation, gather sensitive information, or gain access to private computer systems.» There's a reason why I wrote malware rather than virus. Malware doesn't have to have any way of spreading by itself. Let me make you a simile. Back in the 1990s, we had the ping of death which for a while reliably crashed Windows machines that were exposed to it. Do you think www.debian.org should have sent out such packets to any hosts that accessed the web site? It's basically the same thing you're doing: you're using Debian infrastructure to perform a denial of service attack on people who use other platforms. > > you're not even apologising for it. I think that's pretty sad. > > You and me come from different cultures¹ then. I see nothing > to apologise for. In my culture, what you're doing is on the same level as moving chairs around when you're with blind people and laugh when they fall over because they're sitting down on a chair that is no longer there. In my culture, that is called being a dick. -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/874n6vpldi@qurzaw.varnish-software.com
Re: Code of Conduct: picking up
This is a great email, Wouter. Thanks for your perseverance! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e1045392-ec03-41ee-b50f-f43b57282...@debian.org
Re: Code of Conduct: picking up
fup2p On Thu, 28 Nov 2013, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > You mean you were using Debian resources to spread malware, and it seems You’re ridiculous. That’s not malware and cannot spread either (except like the famous “hi, I’m a signature virus, copy me to your .sig to help me spread”, are you forbidding these too?). > you're not even apologising for it. I think that's pretty sad. You and me come from different cultures¹ then. I see nothing to apologise for. bye, //mirabilos ① Not speaking of countries or so here, but online culture. -- 15:41⎜ Somebody write a testsuite for helloworld :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.10.1311290928150.1...@tglase.lan.tarent.de
