debian for elderly

2013-11-30 Thread Thomas Koch
I'm just sitting with a friend of mine, a 70+ years old woman showing her a 
linux Desktop. I've already manually hacked /usr/bin/startx to add -dpi 
120...

Is there any project inside debian specialized for the needs of elderly 
people?

Such needs might be:

- big fonts and icons
- reduced complexity, minimal number of options
- consistency in the UI

Regards, Thomas Koch


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Re: debian for elderly

2013-11-30 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi Thomas!

Am Samstag, 30. November 2013, 18:32:19 schrieb Thomas Koch:
 I'm just sitting with a friend of mine, a 70+ years old woman showing her a
 linux Desktop. I've already manually hacked /usr/bin/startx to add -dpi
 120...

An alternative may be setting DisplaySize :

merkaba:~ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/anzeige.conf 
Section Device
Identifier  Graphics card

Option  Monitor-LVDS1 Display
EndSection

Section Monitor
Identifier  Display

DisplaySize 340 192
EndSection


Identifiers are arbitrary. The command xrandr shows proper value for Monitor 
option name suffix.

You can cheat with DisplaySize to enlarge all font sizes, but then other 
measurements like centimeters or inches don´t work as well anymore. Thus I 
suggest raising font sizes manually. But then that may be difficult with 
browsers. I often press Ctrl + to enlarge web pages. If I set larger fonts in 
webbrowsers as some sites still do not seem to get the differences between 
point and pixel which is crucial for this 143x143 ThinkPad T520 Full HD 
display I often get incorrect rendering.

Chromium seems to remember Ctrl + zoom setting per page / URL.

 Is there any project inside debian specialized for the needs of elderly
 people?
 
 Such needs might be:
 
 - big fonts and icons
 - reduced complexity, minimal number of options
 - consistency in the UI

I am not aware of. Within Debian. I read of something more general years ago, 
but do not remember details.

There are for sure different icon and font sets.

Ciao,
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Re: debian for elderly

2013-11-30 Thread Daniel Pocock


On 30/11/13 18:32, Thomas Koch wrote:
 I'm just sitting with a friend of mine, a 70+ years old woman showing her a 
 linux Desktop. I've already manually hacked /usr/bin/startx to add -dpi 
 120...
 
 Is there any project inside debian specialized for the needs of elderly 
 people?
 
 Such needs might be:
 
 - big fonts and icons
 - reduced complexity, minimal number of options
 - consistency in the UI
 

I gave my old workstation to an elderly relative.

I pulled out the HDD and provided a Debian Live bootable DVD instead.
I've taken a similar approach to setting up various other users.

It is based on squeeze, it has been relatively easy to establish video
calls with Empathy and it is used for web browsing as well.  Empathy and
Iceweasel have desktop icons and they automatically open on boot.

With Wheezy, I've had various troubles with Empathy (see bugs.d.o) and
haven't tried to update the DVD images yet.

The users have all been in somewhat distant locations too, some have
simply been able to put the Live DVD into an existing system and use it
without me ever visiting them in person.

I also attended a presentation some years ago from a graduate student
who had studied the needs of elderly users.  I don't remember all the
details but one of the more high level outcomes was a conclusion that
font sizes and other tweaks are not automatically required just because
somebody is elderly: there are elderly people with eyesight issues but a
lot of them get by just fine if sensible font sizes are chosen in the
first place.

Regards,

Daniel


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Re: Code of Conduct: picking up

2013-11-30 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Tollef Fog Heen dijo [Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:12:25AM +0100]:
   You mean you were using Debian resources to spread malware, and it seems
  
  You’re ridiculous. That’s not malware and cannot spread either
 
 «Malware, short for malicious software, is software used to disrupt
 computer operation, gather sensitive information, or gain access to
 private computer systems.»  There's a reason why I wrote malware rather
 than virus.  Malware doesn't have to have any way of spreading by
 itself.

Right. I'll adhere to the opinion expressed here by Tollef and
Enrico. Knowingly sending mails with a code known to crash on display
any Apple device displaying it might be fun (for some definition of
fun) when sending to your friends, but it is far from acceptable in
Debian lists, which are read by thousands of people, mirrored in
sites independent from us. 

It is clearly damaging. People might look in the mailing lists for
support. It is a hostile behaviour, and I also see it as a DMUP
violation.


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