Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-09 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On ven., 2014-08-08 at 18:38 -0700, Paul C. Bryan wrote:
 With all due respect to XFCE, I'd hate the interpretation to be along
 the lines of, Oh, Debian state of the art desktop environment feels
 something like Windows, circa 2000. But, XFCE's lightweight. It's
 meant
 to lack such fancy features.

I'm unsure what you mean by that. We don't do specific efforts to tune
Xfce appearance (that's not really our priority indeed), but you might
want to take a look at Xubuntu customization if eye candy is what
interest you.

Regards,
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Yves-Alexis


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Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-09 Thread Stephen Allen
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:52:46PM +, Camaleón wrote:
 On Fri, 08 Aug 2014 11:14:07 +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
 
  On jeu., 2014-08-07 at 23:57 +0200, Jordi Mallach wrote:
  Hi Debian,
  
  About the decision itself, as Debian Xfce main maintainer, I honestly
  don't really care. I don't think the default desktop matters that much
  on Debian (while I guess it means a lot for Ubuntu, for example). I
  actually think having no default desktop would be just fine, instead
  having the current 3-4 desktop installation media. Then anyone can pick
  the DE she likes.
 
 (...)
 
 I really (and still) like the idea of having no default desktop at all 
 and let the users decide by themselves if they even want to get a DE when 
 performing a DVD based installation.
 
 Greetings,

Give them a choice of the main 3 or 4 with thumbnails of each at default
view with short explanation: ie Gnome-Shell for modern computers with
3D capability: XFce4 for older computers with low memory and/or older
video cards not capable of playing advanced graphical games etc.,

Then direct each to appropriate DVD/CD/Netinstall image to download or
sources list to add. 


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Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-09 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 09:08:07 -0400, Stephen Allen wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:52:46PM +, Camaleón wrote:
 On Fri, 08 Aug 2014 11:14:07 +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
 
  On jeu., 2014-08-07 at 23:57 +0200, Jordi Mallach wrote:
  Hi Debian,
  
  About the decision itself, as Debian Xfce main maintainer, I honestly
  don't really care. I don't think the default desktop matters that
  much on Debian (while I guess it means a lot for Ubuntu, for
  example). I actually think having no default desktop would be just
  fine, instead having the current 3-4 desktop installation media. Then
  anyone can pick the DE she likes.
 
 (...)
 
 I really (and still) like the idea of having no default desktop at all
 and let the users decide by themselves if they even want to get a DE
 when performing a DVD based installation.
 

 Give them a choice of the main 3 or 4 with thumbnails of each at default
 view with short explanation: ie Gnome-Shell for modern computers with
 3D capability: XFce4 for older computers with low memory and/or older
 video cards not capable of playing advanced graphical games etc.,
 
 Then direct each to appropriate DVD/CD/Netinstall image to download or
 sources list to add.

The issue here is that once the user has downloaded a DVD, what's the DE 
the installer should go with when choosing an automated/basic install. And 
I still think the installer has to full stop at this point and ask the 
user what is what he/she wants; that's, IMO, the fairest proceeding 
possible.

Greetings,

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Camaleón


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