cran2deb is back! Was: About the recent DD retirements
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, Don Armstrong wrote: Just to piggyback here, debian-r.debian.net has about 8.6k of these packages (bioc, cran, and omegahat). Just kudos, Dan, for reviving the deb2cran initiative! any plans for providing builds for jessie state of affairs? ;) -- Yaroslav O. Halchenko, Ph.D. http://neuro.debian.net http://www.pymvpa.org http://www.fail2ban.org Research Scientist,Psychological and Brain Sciences Dept. Dartmouth College, 419 Moore Hall, Hinman Box 6207, Hanover, NH 03755 Phone: +1 (603) 646-9834 Fax: +1 (603) 646-1419 WWW: http://www.linkedin.com/in/yarik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150126142738.gp7...@onerussian.com
Re: About language specific package management tools
One huge advantage of teaching our package management tools to understand alternate package technologies and convert on the fly is that we can use the mirror networks of the language-specific packages. Unfortunately, we're fairly picky about licensing issues and legal distributability of packages. That's a significant value we add to Debian and it's really important. However, we'll probably find that if we tried to automate something we'd discover legal problems. We'd discover confirming DFSG status difficult if we tried and that there are probably packages out there our users want that really when you look at it aren't actually even redistributable. It's great that we add the value we do but we should not force that on our users. If our users are happy with CPAN or pip or whatever, we should give them access to all that software even if we cannot host it on our servers. For that and a couple of other reasons I favor having each user machine do the conversion rather than handling it centrally. Providing ways to do caching at an organization level and ways to package software that is important enough to bring into Debian both seem important to me. --Sam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/014b2698cba1-b2e5ca2f-3a3a-4d09-ad10-b2d2c1ca849f-000...@email.amazonses.com
Re: cran2deb is back! Was: About the recent DD retirements
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, Don Armstrong wrote: Just to piggyback here, debian-r.debian.net has about 8.6k of these packages (bioc, cran, and omegahat). Just kudos, Dan, for reviving the deb2cran initiative! any plans for providing builds for jessie state of affairs? ;) I'd like to; I basically just need to sit down and upgrade sbuild and fixup dak so that things work properly. I'll stick it on my todo list, and hopefully get to it soonish. -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com You know, said Arthur, it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die from asphyxiation in deep space that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young. Why, what did she tell you? I don't know, I didn't listen. –- Douglas Adams _The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150126160217.gy21...@teltox.donarmstrong.com
Debian Maintainers Keyring changes
The following changes to the debian-maintainers keyring have just been activated: alexan...@alemayhu.com Full name: Alexander Alemayhu deb...@helgefjell.de Full name: Helge Kreutzmann Added key: 6D965FB5E316D20354CA7BB041BAA526682AE670 deb...@random.re Full name: Serge Victor m...@emillon.org Full name: Etienne Millon Added key: 96729665561ED6F998884DA69866E4A9EC1663E5 ste...@pyro.eu.org Full name: Steven Chamberlain Added key: DF4717BA98C27F299BA7183369F30763DFEFC134 t...@samba.org Full name: Timothy Potter Added key: 1A2747824E52FCC4D157C0D1B24CA63F6EBBE84D Debian distribution maintenance software, on behalf of the Keyring maintainers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/e1yfvqd-00039e...@franck.debian.org
Re: About the recent DD retirements
Tollef Fog Heen tfheen at err.no writes: This means that if you use system packages and want to have two applications that both want foo.jar installed, but different versions (since they need different APIs or different bug compatibility), we don't support that well. For C libraries, there are sonames and all, And this is why I disagree with Gunnar’s… |programmers often prefer anyway working with either a particular |library version they are comfortable with, or with the bleeding edge, |or whatnot. Programmers will often look outside of the distribution, |because they will want specific bits at different points in time. … because if even the distribution thinks so, the attempt at re-educating that kind of developers is lost. (Luckily, not all think so; they see the benefit of packaging and distro-provided security updates, and develop using packaged components only. And *that* would be *much* easier if things were there already… I’ve had to hand-compile stuff for mwlib (Mediawiki to PDF render server), to run an OSM mapserver, and don’t even let me get started about the difficulty of packaging even a small java web application because all its dependencies are not yet packaged either.) bye, //mirabilos
Re: About language specific package management tools
Anthony Towns aj at erisian.com.au writes: don't think it's as feasible: - if cpan/pypi/etc change their formats and the conversion scripts need updating, it'd have to be done on every system, rather than in one place - additional build-depends and depends cannot be expressed upstream, so you need to track them in the Debian part, which can also only really be done centrally - modifying apt is probably harder than just writing scripts that generate debs - apt is not the only tool… deb http://http.debian.net/debian-extras/ testing cpan cran pypi deb http://http.debian.net/debian-extras/ unstable cpan npm (with a separate pool/ and separated by upstream archive) That could work… bye, //mirabilos
Re: About the recent DD retirements
Torsten Landschoff wrote: I think Debian lists are forwarded to UseNet Most lists are gated to linux.*, yes. but it is not as easy as years ago to get a good UseNet server. Try - news.individual.de - news.eternal-september.org or contact me at n...@szaf.org for reading access or a feed. Regards, -thh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/ldp.1501260934@landroval.ancalagon.de
