Re: Re: Namespace question - data.debian.org
Hi, > > Semantic URIs represent not just documents but also abstract concepts > > and may be referenced by other datasets. > > I'm not sure what this actually means. What kind of abstract concepts? > The idea of there existing a relationship between packages called > «Depends»? The package is a concept, the relationship is a concept too. For more about Semantic Web URIs: http://www.w3.org/TR/cooluris/#intro > Assuming we use HTTP for this, HTTP redirects are a thing, so we can > always move stuff around if we need to. Or we could just get this right the first time. The namespace chosen should be able to have "persistent/permanent URLs" (PURLs) defined in it. Redirects are useful but they shouldn't be used as an excuse for messing up the first attempt. Thanks, Iain. --
Re: Namespace question - data.debian.org
]] "Iain R. Learmonth" > Semantic URIs represent not just documents but also abstract concepts > and may be referenced by other datasets. I'm not sure what this actually means. What kind of abstract concepts? The idea of there existing a relationship between packages called «Depends»? > It's important that these allocations are permanent as far as > possible, so it's important to get this right. Assuming we use HTTP for this, HTTP redirects are a thing, so we can always move stuff around if we need to. -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are
Re: Namespace question - data.debian.org
Hi, On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 11:05:55AM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: > Yes, but there can be other metadata things. that's why it's > ftp-master.metadata.debian.org and not just > metadata.debian.org. The current rdf.debian.net dataset contains metadata on releases, packaging projects, package releases, maintainer profiles and VCS repositories. In the future this will also include bugs, binary packages and relationships, more linkage to upstream projects, events and mirror information. What name under metadata.debian.org would you suggest? The Debian Data team should able to manage the URL namespace that is allocated exclusively, although this needs only be under a single domain. Semantic URIs represent not just documents but also abstract concepts and may be referenced by other datasets. It's important that these allocations are permanent as far as possible, so it's important to get this right. Thanks, Iain. -- signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Namespace question - data.debian.org
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015, Iain R. Learmonth wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 09:56:02AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > To me, they sound more like *metadata* maybe:
> > metadata.debian.{net,org} maybe?
>
> This sounded great to me until I realised metadata.debian.org is already
> claimed by ftp-master by way of ftp-master.metadata.debian.org.
Yes, but there can be other metadata things. that's why it's
ftp-master.metadata.debian.org and not just
metadata.debian.org.
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Re: Namespace question - data.debian.org
Hi Steve,
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 09:56:02AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> To me, they sound more like *metadata* maybe:
> metadata.debian.{net,org} maybe?
This sounded great to me until I realised metadata.debian.org is already
claimed by ftp-master by way of ftp-master.metadata.debian.org.
):
Thanks,
Iain.
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Re: Namespace question - data.debian.org
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 09:46:04AM +, Iain R. Learmonth wrote:
>Hi,
Hi Iain!
>The Debian Data team produces the frameworks and runs the services that make
>data about Debian available in a number of formats to make the data as
>accessible as possible and to encourage its use both within Debian and in
>external projects.
>
>Examples of projects managed by this team are:
>
> * map.debian.net - A map of Debian Locations
> * rdf.debian.net - A Linked Data interface to the data in UDD
>
>Both of these are experimental projects, but they are ready to be turned
>into something stable and permanent.
>
>I originally planned to use data.debian.net for this service, which would
>also include JSON/JSONP, KML and iCalendar exports of data from UDD, and
>later migrate the service to data.debian.org on a VM managed by DSA and
>maintain data.debian.net as a development machine.
>
>In #808088, it was suggested that I could ask for the data.debian.org
>psuedo-package to be assigned once it was cleared with DSA, but DSA has
>bought up a previous project from ftp-master that was going to use the name
>data.debian.org.
>
>I see that currently it does not have any DNS records. The entry on the
>ftp-master wiki has not seen an update since 2009.
>
> https://ftp-master.debian.org/wiki/projects/data/
>
>So if ftp-master no longer wishes to claim the name data.debian.org, and as
>their usage would only be for datasets packaged in debian for distribution
>using the mirrors, I would say data.ftp.debian.org would be a better name
>for that service, then I would be very happy to have the name
>data.debian.org for the Debian Data team.
>
>If not, I'm open to suggestions for other names to use. Examples of URLs
>that would appear under this domain would be:
To me, they sound more like *metadata* maybe:
metadata.debian.{net,org} maybe?
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Namespace question - data.debian.org
Hi, The Debian Data team produces the frameworks and runs the services that make data about Debian available in a number of formats to make the data as accessible as possible and to encourage its use both within Debian and in external projects. Examples of projects managed by this team are: * map.debian.net - A map of Debian Locations * rdf.debian.net - A Linked Data interface to the data in UDD Both of these are experimental projects, but they are ready to be turned into something stable and permanent. I originally planned to use data.debian.net for this service, which would also include JSON/JSONP, KML and iCalendar exports of data from UDD, and later migrate the service to data.debian.org on a VM managed by DSA and maintain data.debian.net as a development machine. In #808088, it was suggested that I could ask for the data.debian.org psuedo-package to be assigned once it was cleared with DSA, but DSA has bought up a previous project from ftp-master that was going to use the name data.debian.org. I see that currently it does not have any DNS records. The entry on the ftp-master wiki has not seen an update since 2009. https://ftp-master.debian.org/wiki/projects/data/ So if ftp-master no longer wishes to claim the name data.debian.org, and as their usage would only be for datasets packaged in debian for distribution using the mirrors, I would say data.ftp.debian.org would be a better name for that service, then I would be very happy to have the name data.debian.org for the Debian Data team. If not, I'm open to suggestions for other names to use. Examples of URLs that would appear under this domain would be: * /api/0/package/direwolf - Machine readable data about the binary package "direwolf" * /api/0/bug/808088 - Machine readable data about bug #808088 * /concept/package/direwolf - A semantic URL representing the concept of the binary package "direwolf" * /concept/debian - A semantic URL representing the concept of the Debian Project * /kml/mirrors.kml - A KML formatted mirror list with locations and status Thanks, Iain. -- signature.asc Description: PGP signature
