Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership

[Pierre-Elliott Bécue]

Hi Donald,

Thanks for taking the time to answer to me, and sorry that I did not
reply earlier, I'm a bit swamped IRL. :)

Donald Norwood  writes:

> Hi Pierre,
>
> On 7/25/21 12:19 PM, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Out of the blue, without any more context and content, I am not sure to
>> be happy with this news.
>> 
>> To me, such a partnership is something quite stronger than sponsorship
>> and I'd be a bit ill-at-ease with it being done without the whole Debian
>> Members being consulted.
>> 
>> Last but not least, what kind of data would be shared regarding how we
>> use gitlab in Debian?
>> 
> Apologies if you thought this was out of the blue, we are currently and
> still in the process of bringing the awareness of the partnership to the
>  community prior to the main announcement, but as with any news it is
> about the timing of the message delivery.
>
> Rest assured there were several hands on our side that went into the
> initial discussions from Debian Partners to DebConf Sponsors, to the
> DPL, and Press, all of us tasked with seeing things through that will
> benefit the project.
>
> We have many Partners[1] working with and helping to support Debian,
> this particular partnership starts with each of us promoting each others
> conferences, sponsorships, and then expanding the relationship forward
> into the future with the other items mentioned.
>
> The data sharing as I understand it is only toward a Case Study of how
> Debian uses GitLab, it would be with information that we provide to them
> on our use, selection, and goals. As more information about the Case
> Study becomes available we will be sure to share it with the community.
>
> [1]https://www.debian.org/partners/

It is not my objective to make things change or to put the principle of
partnership into question. But to me, promoting (ie advertising) Gitlab
activities is a bit more than what we do for other partners. Am I wrong
here? I could have missed some things.

Thanks!
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Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership

[Pierre-Elliott Bécue]

Geert Stappers  writes:

> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 06:19:37PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
>> Donald Norwood  writes:
>> 
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > Debian and GitLab have been in discussion regarding an Open Source
>> > Partnership toward which we will jointly produce mutual promotions,
>> > shared stories, and announcements using both organizations press and/or
>> > publicity channels.
>   ...
>> > 
>> 
>> Out of the blue, without any more context and content,
>
> ???
>
> "Debian" and "Gitlab" are speaking with each other
> since the very start of "Salsa".

Interacting on a technical aspect because we use gitlab is far from
promoting what Gitlab does.

>> I am not sure to be happy with this news.
>
> To me is the news  that "press" and "marketing" are more involved.
> Because I assume good faith, I allow meself to focus on other stuff
> in (Debian) life.

I also assume good faith. But Debian ang gitlab going on the promotion
path, even if done in good faith, is not necessarily something that
makes me happy.

>> To me, such a partnership is something quite stronger than sponsorship
>> and I'd be a bit ill-at-ease with it being done without the whole Debian
>> Members being consulted.
>
> Yes, a DD is allowed to represent the project.

I did not ask such a question, but rather expressed that Debian promoting
Gitlab would be something worth prodding the whole project, IMHO.

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