Re: Inappropriate content on planet.debian.org and need of evolution of documentation and CoC

[alberto fuentes]

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Lars Wirzenius  wrote:

> In short, it's about Debian contributors, not just Debian. Based on my
> memory, it has always been that way.
>

I know the current (and past, since this is not the first time I argue
this) state of affairs :)

Re: Inappropriate content on planet.debian.org and need of evolution of documentation and CoC

[alberto fuentes]

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Russ Allbery  wrote:

> Separately, on the textual content... I'm not sure exactly the right way
> to phrase this advice, but I do think you use your blog to explore
> intensely personal philosophical questions.  I understand that you really
> want to explore those with other people in the project as well, but I can
> also see how it can be a little out of step with what others post there.
> I'm not really certain how much of a problem it is, but the piece of the
> Planet Debian policy that I would have pointed you at isn't the
> family-friendly bit, but the "excessively personal information" bit.
>

I would really like this point to come to a more concrete precise line,
even if the nature of it is to be a blurred one. This way you can still
decide how out of the (blurred-)line somebody is. The current 'try not to
annoy people' is weird and feels like it says 'try not to annoy the wrong
people'

It comes down to know if planet is about debian or about debian developers

My personal opinion is that it should be about debian, not about debian
developers. Random rants, specially cathartic ones slightly related to the
debian philosophy of life, should be curbed. And therefore, post about your
holidays or book reviews should be out of the question. Rants about debian
should be okay tho :)

Luckily only a handful of people step out of this line, so in practice is
not a problem. Specially by a beloved developer as Russ, which many people
like and which opinion in matters is important for many as well

Not having written rules about this makes other people say, why cant I as
well?

My other important point is that this is not about curbing people opinions
or exposure, its about not misusing a tool. We are people and many share
hobbies and ideas about life. But there are other spaces to share this
content on the internet. If I want to see cat pictures I go to a cat
pictures website which are galore. I dont need somebody to share their cat
pictures in planet debian

For many, debian is full of friends, so sharing with planet debian feels
like sharing with friends. But the reality is that there are many people
reading the feed. Many more than your inner circle of friends in debian

Luckily, most people realize this and only share their posts tagged with
debian

When the line about being related to debian is dubious, think, how many
people would opt-in to this kind of posts if i made a separate feed? That
should self-clarify if it belongs to the planet

Im sure this has been discussed ad nauseum (Debian style) and I just took
the opportunity now that somebody else brought it up. Im just a small
contributor... I dont contribute near as much as somebody like Russ, so I
feel little out of line saying this. But take it just as my opinion on the
subject and nothing more :)

I have a small blog as well with a couple of posts about debian, but I
still dont think it is useful enough to waste so many peoples time by
aggregating it to the planet

Cheers!

Re: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong

[alberto fuentes]

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Zlatan Todoric  wrote:

> So we admit that we have this places but we just want to pile more
> places so people can find thing. Why not just finally sit down, remove
> our head from hackerish thinking and say - our landing page (debian.org)
> is a disservice to community and we either work on that or don't work on
> that - someone needs to research the usability. We are tons of
> information, which really is great but if people need to read through
> it, and jump around to come to their answer/solution [...]
>

This guy made an informal analysis about how the debian web could be
improved in 2015 [0]

Not saying you should watch the 2h video, just to note that there is
interest and that many people see it too

The task is daunting tho. Unifying the interface and the expectations of
the old with the new. I wouldnt know where to start

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kh6nwrR1hA

Re: Paths into Debian

[Alberto Fuentes]

debian-love? :P


On 24/09/13 14:02, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:

On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 07:51:53AM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:

Its not just you - while I appreciate using a word other than bitesized or
low-hanging-fruit, I tend to get the same slightly off putting feeling
about gift

Not to bikeshead.


So, folks, what do you propose instead? :)

If the chosen terminology send the wrong message, and hence it's
potentially a blocker, let's change it (but better do it only *once*,
hence the need of getting it right this time).

Cheers.




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Re: Paths into Debian

[Alberto Fuentes]

Btw, i didnt exaclty came up with debian-love myself
https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeLove

On 24/09/13 14:05, Alberto Fuentes wrote:

debian-love? :P


On 24/09/13 14:02, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:

On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 07:51:53AM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:

Its not just you - while I appreciate using a word other than
bitesized or
low-hanging-fruit, I tend to get the same slightly off putting feeling
about gift

Not to bikeshead.


So, folks, what do you propose instead? :)

If the chosen terminology send the wrong message, and hence it's
potentially a blocker, let's change it (but better do it only *once*,
hence the need of getting it right this time).

Cheers.







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Re: Presentation of iso downloads - simpler like Fedora?

[Alberto Fuentes]

On 08/16/2012 01:24 PM, Daniel Baumann wrote:

it would be nice to handle non-live images, live images, and 'installer'
tasks the same way (no problem if that happens all throught the tasksel
package).


what would be nice its one image installer/live-cd like ubuntu does :

Why is not done like that yet? sorry if this was already discussed

greets!


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