Re: Gnome3 :s
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 04:24:42AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mercredi 14 septembre 2011 à 09:19 +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote: (I think GNOME Shell is awesome too, BTW. I just don’t have the hardware to run it.) Hmmm, I think Debian should get you a new GPU that you can use for testing GNOME 3, especially if it is supported by the free drivers. Seriously, I can afford a new GPU if needed. And actually I just tried again, and with the latest radeon driver it is still slow, but usable now. (Which is consistent with the fact some GNOME developers have exactly the same GPU.) What exactly is slow on your system? I'm using Gnome3 (with gnome shell) and it works pretty well. But then, it's not using many effects, is it? At least I don't see the compiz-like bubbling windows or anything. Am I missing something here? Or is my hardware just to good? :P Hauke -- .''`. Jan Hauke Rahm j...@debian.org www.jhr-online.de : :' : Debian Developer www.debian.org `. `'` Member of the Linux Foundationwww.linux.com `- Fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe www.fsfe.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Gnome3 :s
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 09:14:09AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mercredi 14 septembre 2011 à 08:31 +0200, Jan Hauke Rahm a écrit : And actually I just tried again, and with the latest radeon driver it is still slow, but usable now. (Which is consistent with the fact some GNOME developers have exactly the same GPU.) What exactly is slow on your system? I'm using Gnome3 (with gnome shell) and it works pretty well. But then, it's not using many effects, is it? At least I don't see the compiz-like bubbling windows or anything. Am I missing something here? Or is my hardware just to good? :P My hardware (the RS690) is a bastard architecture for which the drivers don’t do a very good job, that’s all. Most hardware should be more than enough to run GNOME Shell, and eventually it may even work in software rendering with llvmpipe. I see. Thanks for the explanation. Hauke -- .''`. Jan Hauke Rahm j...@debian.org www.jhr-online.de : :' : Debian Developer www.debian.org `. `'` Member of the Linux Foundationwww.linux.com `- Fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe www.fsfe.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Linuxtag Germany (Berlin) 2011 -- recap
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 06:01:57PM +0300, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 10:45:38PM +0200, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: All in all, that were great four days. I don't know about official numbers about visitors or anything. But I do know that we all had fun, that we've met new, interesting people as well as the old guys from the last few years. I'd like to thank Annette for making the effort and organizing everything, Alex for shipping the merch stuff to us, and -- of course -- all our helpers at the booth, be that DDs or total newbies. I can't list them all -- sorry -- but rest assured, we've had an interesting, refreshing, and big team of about 10 to 15 people everyday who offered their help. Everyone (as far as I know) was free to see whatever talk they liked (except for Zack's talk that everyone wanted to hear), and we still kept the booth running. Thanks to all of you who registered on the wiki page [3] so we were able to plan; thanks to all who just jumped in whenever it seemed neccessary. And special thanks to those who worked just as hard and literally just started getting to know Debian better! ... and, while we are at it, thanks for this report Jan. I always found amazing to read about community feedback at events where Debian is present in person. I sometime do a lousy job at reporting about the events I attend on behalf of Debian (shame on me!), but reading reports like this one reminds me how useful they are. Please keep them coming and encourage other Debian representatives at events to do the same. Absolutely. That's basically something I've learned from you: communicate about the good stuff. :) For what concerns my own LinuxTag recap, I've unfortunately being able to attend only one day (Thursday) due to family and work business. Nonetheless I've been amazed by the warm welcome of LinuxTag-ers for Debian, something I've also experienced in past LinuxTag editions. Even though my talk has been scheduled in a not entirely appropriate track, i.e. the business application track [1], and on a non week-end day, the room was quite packed and people seem to have appreciated yet another edition of the song dance in spreading the verb about Debian's grand role in the ecosystem of Free software. Various people told me they were looking forward to attend the other two Debian-related talk by Alexander and Moritz (see [2] for pointers to the various Debian-related events at LinuxTag 2011). To conclude and disclose, I hereby thank LinuxTag organization for sponsoring my travel attendance to the conference. +1 Organization was very friendly and worked out great for all of us. Hauke PS: I prefer Hauke over Jan :) -- .''`. Jan Hauke Rahm j...@debian.org www.jhr-online.de : :' : Debian Developer www.debian.org `. `'` Member of the Linux Foundationwww.linux.com `- Fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe www.fsfe.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Linuxtag Germany (Berlin) 2011 -- recap
Dear everyone, we've had the great oportunity of presenting Debian at the LinuxTag 2011 [0] with a booth, kindly organized by Annette, that we shared with Kanotix [1] and aptosid [2]. Our working together was fun and productive as we had a lot of talks with each other as well as with guests that asked about our relationship and Debian and its derivatives in general. It was refreshing to see how many normal users care about giving back and partly even know about ongoing discussions in Debian. We've had many discussions about 'rolling', its possible implementations, its effect on users, often even if it would bring back users that nowadays use Ubuntu. Speaking of which, I, personally, found it interesting how many users see Debian as the great effort but for some reasons prefer Ubuntu as their desktop system. Particularly, when a single missing package (for instance some funny desktop feature) would make the difference. We all encouraged users to use 'reportbug', share their experiences with Debian, help improve it in whatever way they can think of. Almost all of them figured they could do something, even if it's simple stuff. We can't fix bugs that we don't know about was possibly the most repeated sentence during the four days of the event. And it seemed to make sense to them. :) Another interesting topic was appreciation of the work of others, (seemingly) completely unrelated to Debian. For instance, while most of our guests at the booth cared for stability, thorough planning of releases, the Debian package management etc. and therefor don't like using distributions that don't profit from that -- when it came to interesting, new efforts like '/run', they all appreciated how other distributions (or projects in general) go a different way and by that work on things everyone can profit from in the long run. I, personally, never saw that many people give credit to projects they usually don't like much for whatever reason. I liked how this development in our community improves Free Software more generally than just single projects. All in all, that were great four days. I don't know about official numbers about visitors or anything. But I do know that we all had fun, that we've met new, interesting people as well as the old guys from the last few years. I'd like to thank Annette for making the effort and organizing everything, Alex for shipping the merch stuff to us, and -- of course -- all our helpers at the booth, be that DDs or total newbies. I can't list them all -- sorry -- but rest assured, we've had an interesting, refreshing, and big team of about 10 to 15 people everyday who offered their help. Everyone (as far as I know) was free to see whatever talk they liked (except for Zack's talk that everyone wanted to hear), and we still kept the booth running. Thanks to all of you who registered on the wiki page [3] so we were able to plan; thanks to all who just jumped in whenever it seemed neccessary. And special thanks to those who worked just as hard and literally just started getting to know Debian better! Great fun; you should consider coming to next year's LinuxTag! Hauke [0] http://www.linuxtag.org/2011/ [1] http://www.kanotix.com [2] http://www.aptosid.com [3] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEventsDe/2011/LinuxTag -- .''`. Jan Hauke Rahm j...@debian.org www.jhr-online.de : :' : Debian Developer www.debian.org `. `'` Member of the Linux Foundationwww.linux.com `- Fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe www.fsfe.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: FTPMaster meeting minutes
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:09:47AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: 21. untag pending bugs if a package is rejected As the bugs fixed in packages in the NEW queue are currently (semi-) automatically taged pending, Jan Hauke Rahm suggested to untag them, if a package get's rejected from NEW. There's already a patch floating arround, which needs to be reviewed and merged. I assume you will also take over automatically adding pending tags to packages in NEW? If someone patches that into the tools, yes. I've been a bit silent about this. Maybe I find some time today. Unfortunately, it's still python last time I checked. :) Anyways, I'll have a look into adding pending tags as well. Hauke -- .''`. Jan Hauke Rahm j...@debian.org www.jhr-online.de : :' : Debian Developer www.debian.org `. `'` Member of the Linux Foundationwww.linux.com `- Fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe www.fsfe.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
minidebconf Berlin June 10/11?
Hi everyone, first of all excuse the cross-posting but this subject supposedly is of wider interest. Replies can probably be kept to -events.eu. A rather small team of enthusiastic Free Software contributors has met quite a few times during the last weeks (admittedly with low direct Debian involvement). There are people from sidux (a sid based distro) and Skolelinux who Debian has been working with closely when possible over years already. Also members of LinuxTag e.V. (the association that organizes the LinuxTag in Berlin) are part of the group. The goal was to come up with a concept for a mini-debconf in Berlin during the LinuxTag in June 9th to 12th. And we can now say, there is one. Unfortunately it's not as promising as we hoped it would be which means: we need you! Right now we're at about this: Calculated costs: € 6.000 Promised sponsors: € 1.200 Additionally Steve told us Debian would give € 2.000 if needed. Of course we would like to avoid that. As usual a lot can be gained by self-organized materials and sponsored or lent equipment, like beamer, audio/video stuff, network installation... When we first sent out the idea of having a minidebconf in Berlin there were several DDs who supported it. As a matter of fact, to the meetings and online discussions only two of them ever showed up. Other contributors showed interest in it but actually, right now we need more than a sounds cool, would be fun -- we need real support. This is supposed to be a big opportunity for us (at least all of us who live in and around Germany but of course everyone is invited) and to Debian wrt publicity. The LinuxTag has during its four days round about 10,000 visitors. There are various distributions of Free Software projects that exchange ideas and comments. Following our current concept we would use two days in the middle of the event having our own Debian area (additionally to the Debian booth at LinuxTag itself) where we can have talks and BOFs about various aspects of Debian. Those can be (and we think that would be great) interesting to DDs as well as visitors. In another room we would have space to work, possibly having a public bug squashing party and thus actively working on the release and have interested people take part in it. We are in freeze by then, right? But to make all this happen, there is still a lot to do. Are you -- no -- are we willing to take that chance? Since we're bound to contracts, we need to decide ASAP, this weekend actually. So, if you know where to get money or equipment, if you think you can come and help installing the hardware (video, stage whatever), if you want to talk about anything in Debian (German preferred but a few english talks would be cool, too), or if you just have ideas what to talk about (and have possible candidates to do so), this is YOUR time to step up. We'd like to make things happen, but it's a miniDEBconf, so... Debian? Hauke on behalf of the team signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: On cadence and collaboration
Hi Mark, I apologize if this was already said somewhere; somehow I've got lost in this hundreds of mails... :) On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 03:48:06PM +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: No, as I wrote separately, this is more about signalling an emerging cadence across multiple distributions. For many reasons, it's easier for more commercial organisations to plan in years, and the proposal from the Debian release team happens to make that work well. [...] Mandriva would be a likely candidate to participate as well. And I think SUSE could be convinced if we can get past this debate, too. I understand you've been talking to other distributions as well about syncing releases (or freezes) in order to ship same versions of major system components. Now, much of the discussion here is about the actual dates, i.e. the possible freeze in a few month as well as freezing in the end of odd years to release in spring of even years. This idea seems to fit best to your (ubuntu's) current release cycle and I feel many Debian contributors see there your (inacceptable?) influence on Debian. I'm interested in the reactions of other distributions. Are they likely to change their release cycle to fit yours? Or would you be willing to change Ubuntu's release dates if SuSE proposed LTS releases to come out in odd years or similar? Hauke signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian redesign
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 09:09:40PM +0200, Meike Reichle wrote: * I really want to have a concurrent design on the *.debian.org resources (webpages, packages, bugs, wiki, lists, ...) optimally even a slightly different one for all the *.debian.net stuff. Having a design that can even be taken to business cards, boot screens, wallpapers, DVDs etc ... even better! +1 for corporate identity, and +2 for getting this done before squeeze :) * Aesthetically I am fine with Agnieszka's design as well as kalle's. Slight preference for kalle since I saw more of his (from Agnieszka I only saw a small screenshot) and also because it's technical feasibility is already somewhat established. As others stated before though: I guess we could very well mix the two and have a nice synergy of Agnieszka's portability and recognisability and kalle's clean look and technical feasibility. From a first glance at both of them, I'd say Kalle set up a new stylesheet for an existing layout (e.g. packages view, bugs etc.) while Agnieszka tries to go a step further. I would like to them to find a common line here. I think in some places simplifying the view would be very good but we cannot afford lowing information over it. But this is design which I basically have no clue at all about... :) * Like most DD's I have grown somewhat attached to our current logo. There is already a cleaner version of it in our official logo which is also used quite frequently (mostly without the bottle). Personally I don't mind that much. As long as it remains the swirl and keeps its color I am fine with it. I had a look at a few different variations of the logo as well and must say that I'd prefer keeping it the way it is now. If for printing there is a need to simplify it (e.g. for small logos on T-shirts or whatever) I would still be fine with that. But having a look at our logo in different colors I don't think that keeping the current color is mandatory. If we stay in the same color range I'm totally fine with a change, i.e. it should not be black or green all of the sudden. Anyways, thanks again for the design work. Keep it up and push the changes. :) Hauke signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian redesign
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 05:18:28PM +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: Klistvud wrote: In my view, Debian is far less about image and far more about substance than any competing product (or any product in general, for that matter). Not that I don't agree with that, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't care about our image at all. We can improve the distribution and it's image at the same time, can't we? Yes, we can! ...and should imo. Hauke signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 07:05:13PM +0200, Norbert Preining wrote: On Mi, 29 Jul 2009, Luk Claes wrote: The developers have had the opportunity and still have the opportunity to get stuff done before the release. It's true that developers should probably consider to already be careful about what to upload, but there is still opportunity to do changes till the freeze. Ok, for the Debian TeX Team that means that squeeze will contain TeX Live 2007, and will be like that till squeeze+1 in 2012. That is quite ridiculuos, but I cannot finish TL2009 packages alone and by December. So it be. Luckily it doesn't have to be. As just announced by Luk on d-d-a this freeze date is going to be revised and TL2009 still has chances. Even better that our Release Managers (who of course read this) now are aware of your concerns. That also means I can stop working on it at all now, and wait for TeX Live 2010 to come out and package that one. Please don't, please! :) Hauke signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Developer Status
IANADD. On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:37:23AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: I'd put it even more bluntly. The current problem is that NM is too slow, too sluggish, too boring. Being a DD requires a motivation that I wouldn't even dare to ask from the best employees in my company, and god knows I'm an elitist when it comes to code quality and technical interest. You might be right. No, instead of attacking the big fat problem that being a DD is not a single phone call with Elmo anymore, we tackle the issue by adding even more sub-roles, so that people that get lost en route, have cookies along the path. I don't think so. We now have the DDs and we have some sort of DMs who are allowed to do some stuff once only DDs were allowed to, and they can only do that when following different rules. Now, the proposal tries to put this DM status in the NM process. You can become a DM and have some DM rights (as it is now) and then you can become a DD more easily because you're already some steps forward to it. But the more important part is IMO that the proposal *finally* respects the non-packaging contributors (and there are many, I guess). For them we can now have similar steps which in the end means DD rights without the need of learning technical stuff they won't ever use. This is not adding sub-roles on the way to become a DD. We already have the DM status which means nearly nothing on your way to become a DD -- you have to go through the entire NM process, too. The proposal tries to stop that by putting the DM status in the NM process. The new sub-roles for contributors don't really affect becoming a DD since the prospective DD can go either way but he's never got to go both of them. This is adding possibilities for non-technical contributors to get the very same rights they should have (IMO). If I recall right, Jörg was really against DM at the time. I thought it was because of that, I see now that it's because the project wasn't his. [...] I'm blatantly disappointed in both the form and the ground of this edict. And I'm very disappointed in project members who always feel the need to insult (see the DFSG thread on d-devel or this one). This is about the project and I'd appreciate if DDs could move their personal fights to d-private or private mails. MAYBE Joerg was against DM back then, and MAYBE he now sees that the DM status turns out to work much better than he could ever imagine, and MAYBE he learned from it and tries to give it another shot to move the DM status in a better position in the project. Is this impossible? Hauke -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian 4.0 Systemvoraussetzungen
Again, this is the wrong mailing list for such questions. I will answer it in a private Mail for you personally. Hauke On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 03:13:10PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, thx for the translated message. Can you answer to my questions, please? I would like to install Debian 4.0 which is included on the linux-magazin dvd. I'm not very familiar with linux. my question is: is it possible to install this on a pentium I with 166MHz cpu? If not. which linux system could be used for this computer? Nice greets signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian 4.0 Systemvoraussetzungen
This german User asks for installation help. I'm redirecting to debian-user-german. Hauke On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 03:46:40PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guten Tag, das Betreibssystem Debian 4.0, welches auf der Heft-CD vom LINUX-Magazin 07/07 ist, würde ich gerne installieren. Ich kenne mich nicht besonders aus mit LINUX. Meine Frage ist, kann ich Debian 4.0 auf einem Pentium I mit 166 Mhz? Wenn nein, welche der LINUX Systeme würde sich eignen? Über eine Antwort würde ich mich sehr freuen! Danke! Dies ist die falsche Liste für soetwas. Solche Fragen sind besser auf debian-user-german aufgehoben (mal ganz davon abgesehen, dass diese Liste englisch ist). Für nähere Infos oder Hilfe bitte persönliche Mails an mich. Diese Liste ist voll genug ;) Hauke signature.asc Description: Digital signature
