Re: ries.debian.org decided to go fishing
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 09.07.2013, 18:30 +0200 schrieb Martin Zobel-Helas: On Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 17:35:31 +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: In the mean time there is already work in progress in setting up a new VM at our hosting at Bytemark that will host the above mentioned services. We will announce further progress to the debian-project mailing list. A new VM is in place, it is called coccia.debian.org. Beside the website generation stuff of backports.debian.org, everything should be in place and working. Thanks! If you miss anything on the new host, please contact debian-ad...@lists.debian.org. would it easily be possible to restore my home directory and crontab from what was on ries to coccia? Thanks at lot, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer nome...@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nome...@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Virtual images of historic Linux releases
Hi, I was wondering, and Google did not help me: Is there a curated collection of virtual machines with historic Linux installations somewhere? I’d imagine that it would be very interesting to boot a Debian woody again and use Gnome1 and GIMP1 for a while, or see how modern websites look in Netscape from 1998. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer nome...@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nome...@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Security guidelines for Debian people
Hi, Am Sonntag, den 30.10.2011, 17:33 + schrieb Lars Wirzenius: * Store your master PGP keys on at least two USB thumb drives. - use full-disk encryption on the drives - don't use them for anything else given that PGP already protects keys with passphrases, what is the benefit of adding another layer of crypto? Is the protection GPG offers via the passphrase not sufficient? Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer nome...@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nome...@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: DEP-10: AppStream and Component Metadata for Debian
Hi, Am Donnerstag, den 13.10.2011, 12:49 +0800 schrieb Paul Wise: I would like to point out this project: http://wiki.debian.org/UpstreamMetadata And strongly suggest that you make your proposal much more general and as such able to handle arbitrary upstream metadata, either manually added to debian/control by the Debian package maintainer (like UpstreamMetadata) or automatically added to debian/foo/DEBIAN/control during the build process by automatic tools (presumably as in your proposal). interesting. This could be useful for “more organized subecosystems” like the Haskell packaging, to reference the original Haskell package name, or the provided modules, or other metadata that currently has to be guessed by the name of managed separately. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer nome...@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nome...@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: get.debian.net installing gNewsomething instead of Debian
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 20.04.2010, 23:41 +0200 schrieb Hans-Georg Bork: On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 23:06 +0200, Joachim Breitner wrote: Am Sonntag, den 11.04.2010, 12:59 +0300 schrieb Teemu Likonen: The download link for the Windows installer points to site http://goodbye-microsoft.com which advertises gNewSense. I guess the get.debian.org guys just didn't notice the change (adding a Cc). I think we really should provide this functionality, I used it a few times to install Debian, and now I cannot any more. you still can do so; as stated on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader you can still download it from http://goodbye-windows.com ok, I confused goodbye-windows and goodbye-microsoft. Thanks for the pointer. The goodbye-windows.com site could use a big friendly „Click here to install Debian“ button, linking directly to the installer. I’m CC’ing the supposed site owner. I agree with pabs that this could be put in a more official place. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer nome...@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nome...@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: get.debian.net installing gNewsomething instead of Debian
Hi, Am Sonntag, den 11.04.2010, 12:59 +0300 schrieb Teemu Likonen: The download link for the Windows installer points to site http://goodbye-microsoft.com which advertises gNewSense. I guess the get.debian.org guys just didn't notice the change (adding a Cc). I think we really should provide this functionality, I used it a few times to install Debian, and now I cannot any more. @d-boot: Am I right that the file win32-loader.exe from win32-loader is all that is required to install Debian? Or does does it require adjustments before it can be used? @get.debian.net: Maybe you want to host the installer directly? Or even better, this installation method could be added to http://www.debian.org/distrib/? Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer nome...@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nome...@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Debian GNU/Linux license violation
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 04.09.2007, 13:13 -0500 schrieb Gunnar Wolf: Gomi No Sensei dijo [Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 08:35:26AM -0700]: The following email is self-explanatory. The device sold at www.photovu.comis based on a modified Debian, but the company will not disclose the source. The quote is: We will never have an open platform as we do not have the resources to support such an open product in the field. It's not that we wouldn't like to, as we believe in open source and in fact use a customized base debian distribution with the addition of all our custom software on top. The last reason is why we weld our units shut and the aluminum metal must be cut and drilled to open it up! Please explain a bit further on this: What are the product's modifications on Debian that you require them to distribute? Thing is, although this people's argument (i.e. the system being open to hackers and all) is quite flawed, Debian is a _distribution_, it is not -as a whole- made available on a Copyleft license. If you spot they have modified the Linux kernel, the GNU tools, the compiler, etc., then you can demand them sources for their modifications - But you can freely mix Debian and completely propietary code. And you will not be forced to disclose your propietary sources - But modifications made to copylefted (note that _not_ every Free Software license is copyleft) software should be released as well. You might want to bring this issue to http://gpl-violations.org/ they have a reputation of getting people to publish their sources. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: [Utnubu-discuss] Re: Ubuntu/Debian cooperation [was: Complaint about #debian operator]
Hi, (I just got the mails to utnubu-discuss, so bear with me) Am Donnerstag, den 15.12.2005, 15:39 +0100 schrieb Sven Luther: The process was to be manually though, the idea is to scan incoming mails to the BTS, which would notice an URL to an ubuntu patch, and auto-attach it (and complain loudly to the submitter if the URL is bogus :). Sounds like a nice idea in need of someone implementing it. I don't think there is much gain - an attached patch is not much better than a link, and might annoy people with limited bandwidth. But maybe this derived idea is some good: How about looking through the repository of ubuntu pachtes (aka people.u.c/~scott/patches) and make sure a link to it is sent to the approriate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds like a very good idea, and fully in the scope of Utnubu. Some questions: * Is it common to refer to debian bug numbers in ubuntu patches * Is this done in a unambigous way (like in debian/changelogs) * How big are the chances that an automatic script with get the bug number wrong or mistake another number for a bug number If the answers are not too bad, this could be implemented by Utnubu (we pull the complete patches tree every day anyways) Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Utnubu-discuss] Re: Ubuntu/Debian cooperation [was: Complaint about #debian operator]
Hi, Am Donnerstag, den 15.12.2005, 16:13 -0500 schrieb Joey Hess: Joachim Breitner wrote: I don't think there is much gain - an attached patch is not much better than a link, and might annoy people with limited bandwidth. It's SOP in Debian to attach patches to bug reports. I might consider doing otherwise if the patch exceeded 1 megabyte. (And yes, I'm on limited bandwidth and yes, I've also lost hours and hometimes days of time because people didn't attach files to emails and I had to wait to get back online to get to them.) Point taken. If we'll implement such a thing, it will use common sense (patches 200Kb maybe attached, larger patches just linked). It will quickly become evident what limit is preferable. Thanks, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Utnubu Team Founded - Merging Ubuntu changes to Debian
Hi everyone, I invite everyone interested to join the Utnubu Team. Utnubu stands for doing what Ubuntu does, just the other way around: We want to take the things Ubuntu does and that are missing in Debian, and - where appliciable - put them in Debian. This should be achieved using (at least) the following methods: * Having a look at the patches that Ubuntu publishes, see if they are suitable for Debian and then contact the Debian Maintainer to see if and how these can be integrated. * Contacting Ubuntu developers that upload directly to universe, if they don't want to upload to Debian, too; this includes sponsoring. Note that I do not plan to pull developers from Ubuntu, they should instead form their package for both distributions. * If this is not possible or feasable, take Ubuntu-only packages, adjust them to Debian and upload them ourselves. (Personally, I'd like to concentrate on point 2 and 3, so another reason for you to join) I have set up the alioth project utnubu, as well as the mailing lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] for general in-group discussion, as well as [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the maintainer field of our possible packages. A list of binary package in universe, but not in Debian, is assembled on http://people.debian.org/~nomeata/utnubu/ Those who are at DebConf and are interested: You are welcome to see me and discuss matters in person. Thanks for your attention, and looking forward to working with you, Joachim Breitner -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: experimental Request Tracker site for Debian infrastrcture available
Hi Branden, Am Di, den 06.04.2004 schrieb Branden Robinson um 10:59: The site is: http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/rt while I think the Idea is great, I wonder if this RT software is the right thing for us. If I got you right, you want all interested developers to use it. But after a first glance I think that this software is too complex and seems to target the full-time support team, not the part-time developer that happens to run one of these things. Also, though this is just a guess, it does not seem to rely on e-mail as heavily as our debbugs do. But since our main communication channel is email and mailing lists, the possibility to CC: or forward RT mails to the lists would be quite handy. Have you considered (ab)using bugs.debian.org or maybe separate hosting of the debbugs software for request tracking? That would have the advantage of a well-known interface for the developers. That would also greatly increase acceptance, I guess. Just my 2¢, and if they turn out to be wrong - even better. nomeata -- Joachim nomeata Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: Do we need a debian-infrastructure list?
Hi, Am So, den 28.03.2004 schrieb Michael Banck um 16:41: On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 04:06:21PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: I dunno. We *want* -devel-announce to be read be every DD, even the ones which are almost-MIA, in the hope that they'd react to urgent stuff. If there'll be a lot more of infrastructural messages (which I fully approve of per se) on -devel-announce, some of them might feel annoyed by them (if they're almost-MIA, they're probably not interested whether the BTS moves from master to spohr or whatever) and unsubscribe from -devel-announce. Thus I'd rather see an -infrastructure list (but that is partly due to the fact that I'm not subscribed to -devel right now). I think that almost-MIAs that would unsubscribe because of these kind of messages would have done so already, considering the weekly automatic bug reports. Or do you expect the infrastructional messages to be more frequent than maybe one per week? I'm in favor for using d-d-a instead of creating yet another mailing list. nomeata -- Joachim nomeata Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: unauthorized upload of xfree86 4.3.0-1 to unstable
Hi, Am Do, den 29.01.2004 schrieb Andrew Suffield um 13:01: That's a different matter whatsoever. We are talking about package maintenance here, which is what being in Debian is all about. Violating the DMUP is something completely different than doing something WRT package management which is not in the Developers Reference. None of which is relevant. The argument advanced was trust to upload packages (be a developer) is not affected by trust in other matters. Historically, trust in general *has* been a significant factor. I think you got me wrong (quite possible, considering my language). In fact, that is what I wanted to say: he should rely on trust, and not install fixed rules or technical measures to prevent things like that. nomeata -- Joachim nomeata Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: unauthorized upload of xfree86 4.3.0-1 to unstable
Hello, I have not yet made my mind up on this, but one thing is clear to me: Am Mi, den 28.01.2004 schrieb Branden Robinson um 19:04: whether any sort of sanction should take place as a result of these actions, and what standards of procedure and courtesy we should have in team-maintained packages. In my opinion, and especially as this kind of thing has happened for the first time, there should be no sanction to dstone. If he has lost the XSF's trust, then thats their internal thing to decide - debian as a whole should not. (Not more than his may-be lowered reputation within debian - thats up to every single DD). Also, I don't think that we need to make our rules as who can upload what stricter or even install technical measures, nor should we set rules on how team maintenance has to work. We need to trust every developer that far and we have unstable as a buffer, so these rare problems don't hit most of our users. On the other hand, it might be useful to develop some group maintenance template guidelines, which every team can derive their guideline from, but don't have to. Basically I want to say that we should continue to build on trust and meritocracy and not on rules and technical measuers. nomeata -- Joachim nomeata Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: [OT] Re: Bug#221709: ITP: at76c503a-source -- at76c503a driver source
Hi, (moving to -project, as Branden rightly proposed) My point about non-free is different: As users are our other priority, usefulness is important. And where there are thing with no Free alternative yet, as for driver firmware, it is legitimate to provide infrastructure to the user to get this, while (maybe, hopefully, ideally) working on a Free replacement. This does not yet say anything on whether we should have non-free as a part of debian (or right next to debian). My vision is a non-free infrastructure for non-free outside of and independent from debian, but with the same (well, lets say similar) comforts for both users (identical mirrors, widely spread, compatibility to debian, open BTS) and developers (central upload servers, BTS, PTS, buildds). But this is the future. sorry if I started yet another thread about it, but I just had to state that. nomeata Am Do, den 20.11.2003 schrieb Branden Robinson um 07:19: On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 10:23:21PM +0100, Joachim Breitner wrote: Sidenote It looks as if everytime we can get rid of a good reason for non-free (e.g. viable acroread alternatives), new reasons (firmware for drivers) arise. Sigh./Sidenote That's because it's a bad premise to use utility as a basis for deciding whether or not to keep distributing non-free. There's always going to be something in non-free that someone finds useful, from a toy to a medical application that keeps their children alive (the latter is a hypothetical case, as far as I know :) ). If an *objective* standard of usefulness had anything do with our decisions about what to ship, there'd be a lot less stuff in *main*, let alone non-free. Further discussion should probably take place on -project. -- Joachim nomeata Breitner e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Homepage: http://www.joachim-breitner.de JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C | ICQ#: 74513189 Geekcode: GCS/IT/S d-- s++:- a--- C++ UL+++ P+++ !E W+++ N-- !W O? M?+ V? PS++ PE PGP++ t? 5? X- R+ tv- b++ DI+ D+ G e+* h! z? Bitte senden Sie mir keine Word- oder PowerPoint-Anhänge. Siehe http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.de.html signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: A Debian Who is Who
Hi, Am Son, 2003-02-16 um 01.32 schrieb Alexander Kotelnikov: On 16 Feb 2003 01:00:34 +0100 JB == Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JB JB The thing is: The debian structure is not very transparent. Check out http://www.debian.org/intro/organization Ah, didn't know about this page. (Which is probably because there is no link to it on www.debian.org/intro) It is going in the direction, but it only lists the names, and nothing about them. A link to the db.debian.org enty would be useful, and the db.d.org page should be extended (for example homepage, country, description, history, weblog, other projects...) And what is so wrong with transparency that Damog had to call me shitty? Or was there some irony I did not get? Joachim -- Joachim Breitner e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Homepage: http://www.joachim-breitner.de JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C | ICQ#: 74513189 Geekcode: GCS/IT/S d-- s++:- a--- C++ UL+++ P+++ !E W+++ N-- !W O? M?+ V? PS++ PE PGP++ t? 5? X- R+ tv- b++ DI+ D+ G e+* h! z? Terrorists can take my life. Only the government can take my freedom. signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: A Debian Who is Who
Hi, Am Son, 2003-02-16 um 16.37 schrieb Josip Rodin: On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 03:58:30PM +0100, Joachim Breitner wrote: Check out http://www.debian.org/intro/organization Ah, didn't know about this page. (Which is probably because there is no link to it on www.debian.org/intro) Uh, there is. Eh, I meant www.debian.org/intro/about, which is linked from www.debian.org and does not link to either /intro or /intro/organization It is going in the direction, but it only lists the names, and nothing about them. A link to the db.debian.org enty would be useful, and the db.d.org page should be extended (for example homepage, country, description, history, weblog, other projects...) That's already been filed as bug #76187. Ok, I just shut up now and wait for the bug to be resolved :-) Joachim -- Joachim Breitner e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Homepage: http://www.joachim-breitner.de JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C | ICQ#: 74513189 Geekcode: GCS/IT/S d-- s++:- a--- C++ UL+++ P+++ !E W+++ N-- !W O? M?+ V? PS++ PE PGP++ t? 5? X- R+ tv- b++ DI+ D+ G e+* h! z? Terrorists can take my life. Only the government can take my freedom. signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
A Debian Who is Who
Hello, I'm using debian not for a long time (compared to others) now, but I caught the flame and I became what you could call debian believer and on my way to become a Debian Developer. But not beeing one already should not stop me from trying to help. The thing is: The debian structure is not very transparent. Although I read debian-devel and some other mailling lists and eagerly read reports on debianplanet.org, the way debian really works is quite hidden. I read something about a Debian Project Leader and I from random posts on debian-devel I also found out that currently Branden is in this position, but I don't know much about him. I only new his name from the X Strike Force. He is running for DPL again, with three other competetors, but neither do I know them nor do I know how they have been chosen. I also heard something about a mysterious group called the FTP-Masters and the list-master and so on. Of course I could dive into mailinglists and docs deep in the debian.org menu structure, but that is not really a good option. You see the problem? That's why I'd like to see a Debian Who is Who somewhere, where the main people their positions are presented, maybe with a picture and personal backgroud (with permission of the person of course). This would make debian appear less like the wobbling masses of anonymous developers on debian-devel and more like what and how it really looks like. In my opinion, the perfect person to do this would be a Debian Member of old that might have stepped out of the daily work already and therefor got some distance from daily issues and gained a good overview. I don't think it would be very time intensive, and I'd be willing to do the formatting work, but if should be done by someone with authority, and could be put somewhere near About Debian on debian.org What do you think? Joachim PS: I thought this is the best list, since d-devel is about technical stuff (in theory). Correct me if I'm wrong. -- Joachim Breitner e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Homepage: http://www.joachim-breitner.de JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C | ICQ#: 74513189 Geekcode: GCS/IT/S d-- s++:- a--- C++ UL+++ P+++ !E W+++ N-- !W O? M?+ V? PS++ PE PGP++ t? 5? X- R+ tv- b++ DI+ D+ G e+* h! z? Terrorists can take my life. Only the government can take my freedom. signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: Debian keyring analysis
Hi, Am Die, 2003-02-04 um 20.38 schrieb Lars Wirzenius: I'm sure many of them could be strongly connected with little effort. I would suggest to put in the new maintainer key singing text that theh new maintainer should also sign the person's key that signs the nm's key. I forgot to ask the person that signed my key to bring his fingerprint, so now my key is (probably) reachable from most debian keys, but I can't reach any of those keys. So I would recommend to explicitly recommend to sign keys boths ways when having a new maintainer getting his key signed. Joachim (Before you wonder why my key is not in the debian keyring: I'm sill in the nm process) -- Joachim Breitner e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Homepage: http://www.joachim-breitner.de JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C | ICQ#: 74513189 Geekcode: GCS/IT/S d-- s++:- a--- C++ UL+++ P+++ !E W+++ N-- !W O? M?+ V? PS++ PE PGP++ t? 5? X- R+ tv- b++ DI+ D+ G e+* h! z? Terrorists can take my life. Only the government can take my freedom. signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
