Re: Debian on E-Bay (way: selling distributions)
Craig Small csm...@debian.org wrote: On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 08:22:37PM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: On a case by case basis there have been successfully attempts to convince E-Bay that there is nothing wrong a specific auction, however E-Bay seems not to learn from such single incidents. All I can find is a web interface which might be read by someone. So, does anyone know a good way to get in contact with them? Maybe a real human, whom we can talk to, and should know whose responsible for that? As Florian has said, Ebay won't let you sell CD-Rs. I spent some time with Ebay years ago, as one of the Debian webmasters who looks after the CD vendors, as there was no way to convince them otherwise. Interesting. Especially since their publicly posted policies do not prohibit this. http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/replica-counterfeit.html has listed in the allowed examples: Software you created and own the rights to or have been authorized to sell online This was after getting past their completely stupid and very unhelpful semi-automatic replies you get for the first few rounds. You know the type of replies, they go on for two pages and don't actually answer your question. I actually got a real and thinking human and they said no for CD-Rs, which was much shorter and useful reply. That answer is a clear violation of eBay Policy. http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/recordable.html says: Only copyright owners, or the copyright owners' licensees, are permitted to list their products copied onto recordable media (such as VHS tapes, Audio tapes, CD-Rs and DVD-Rs) on eBay. Sellers listing any type of recordable media must state their copyright ownership or license to resell these items in their listings. Anybody who attempts to sell the CDs is a licensee of the copyright holders, authorized to make such sales. In fact, I suspect the real problem is that the listings do not explicit state that the seller is licensed to sell the software. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Assisting with NEW queue backlog (was: What is going wrongwith NEW?)
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote in message news:20090308040721.ga16...@dario.dodds.net... On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 12:53:07PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: I still do not understand why Debian can redistribute any non-reviewed source package through people.debian.org or vcs.debian.org, but would have legal problems of letting persons read the incoming queue. ftp-master is (deliberately) located within the United States. people.debian.org and vcs.debian.org are not. If an American DD exports software to Debian servers outside the US, that's their problem; if Debian exports software by giving developers access to it from a server in the US, that's a Debian problem. Cf. crypto-in-main. That said, the the processing nessisary for the crypto regulations is pretty much a semi-automated process, that IIRC involves sending an email to a few addresses every time a new package enters the archive, that contains crypto or may contain crypto in the future. I suppose in theory a pre-NEW queue could be created that holds the packages until notification has been provided, and then make NEW DD-readable. However, making any changes to the processes without consulting both the lawyer that was consulted last time, as well as the ENC Encryption Request Coordinator at the NSA would be inadvisable. I have said several times that I read on some Debian list that Debian has been used as an example of the correct way to comply with the export restrictions, and if true it is beneficial to maintain that status. Unfortunately I've never been able to find that message again, and every time I search, I only find my own messages, but I'm 100% sure of what I had read. For the record: IANADD, IANAL. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Re: Debian Logo stoled
Hello Richard, Richard Meredith wrote: We have sent an email into Debian and kandath earlier today as I'm unsure how to reply to Kandath's initial post on the matter, hopefully the mailing list will can post our comments on our behalf. Your message has indeed reached the list. We take copyright very seriously at Twist Systems, so have thoroughly gone through all of the original inspirational files for this project to make sure that no theft has occurred. What is evident is our clients logo development was never influenced Fully or Partly by the Debian logo, this is the first time we have been made aware of it's existence. This is not surprising. Others have also created similar logos in the past completely independently. at least one such independeantly developed logo was nearly identical to the Debian logo. It happens. We have all of the original files that were used to develop the logo's creation if they were ever needed to be called upon for clarification. That is a good thing to have. In this case there is almostly certainly no need to provide any further evidence. The Logo is definately not an exact duplicate, and it is being used for a very different market. As long as your client does not try to enter the computer or computer software markets, there is no real chance of customer confusion. I find it very unlikely that Pure Organic Baby Food Limited will be switching from the baby food market to the computer or software markets in the near future, so there is no issue. Joe Smith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian 2.0 Hamm
Fabian Greffrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] maybe archive.debian.org still has it... Do you know who is the maintainer for archive.d.o? I am asking because I still have a very old (early 1994) SuSE CD at home including a pre-1.0 beta of Debian, which I would like to upload... Cheers, Fabian Unfortuneatly, archive is currently not maintained. Philip Hands, redirected it to saens and added woody back in 2005 (http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2005/08/msg00173.html), but it has not been touch since then. The big issue with it is disk space. However, I doubt there would be a problem with including an old pre 1.x beta, considering how small that would be in comparison to modern releases. I suspect you should contact the DSA for that. We really need it to be fixed up and have sarge added. Is sarge still on ftp-master? I see at least some of the mirrors are still including it as old-stable. It was supposed to go away (of preferably be moved to archive) when security support ended. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ECCN number?
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 1:45 AM, John Eric Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Debian have an ECCN number for exporting? I am trying to get one for the OS itself. From the list archives and our BXA notification template, it looks like our ECCN is 5D002: As hinted by http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2007/08/msg00073.html I suspect debian as a whole exceeds the limits of 5D002 according to http://www.access.gpo.gov/bis/ear/ear_data.html#ccl so the ECCN would be 4D003, but I've not seen official confirmation either way. My concern is that 4D003 does not have the EI reason for control that former Munitions cryptographic software (5D002) does. It seems really strange to me that by including sufficient other software, the EI export control reason should just magically disappear. That sounds like it would be at best a major loophole, and at worst such a large loophole as to make the whole expert control system fail. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: State Museum of Pennsylvania - Debian copyright infringement?
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Joe Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are of course correct that trademarks are feild limited. However my understanding is that the courts also tend to take into account the likelyhood of confusion. [...] Similarly if somebody tries to sell just about any product using the current apple logo, they would likely recive an injunction. [...] If using the current Apple logo, I agree. However, many things sell using the general image of a bitten apple. For example, the Bite discount card for UK transport station food http://www.bitecard.co.uk I have no reason to suspect that its operator SSP has an Apple licence. Yes, a bitten apple if it does not too closely resemble Apple Computer's logo would not be a problem. The State Museum of Pennsylvania is using *a* swirl, not debian's particular swirl. What trademark could we hold that would cover the use of the State Museum of Pennsylvania? Most likely none. However, I would not be shocked if a judge did rule that the other spiral was so similar to ours that it could cause confusion. I mean, if one was not directly compairing the two, one could easily draw the incorrect conclusion that they are the same. In this case though, I would tend to agree that few people would think that the Museum is in some way cnnected to the Debian project. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: message from Sven Luther
Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If it is something new, by all means, post it. Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are solely responsible for the content of the messages you post. You must decide whether you will post any given message to the list. Sven is banned from posting to the list. He is not banned from asking you to post material for him, and you are not banned from posting messages quoting material from Sven. Whether or not you are forwarding material from somebody who is banned from posting to the list is irrelevant, provided you have that person's permission to forward the material. I agree with both the above sentiments. If he has something constructive to add to something other than the previous disagreements, then by all means, lets us hear what he has to say. If he has a good point, and we never hear it, that does not do any good. IANADD, IANAL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Google SoC - Bug Triaging and Forwarding Tool
Gustavo R. Montesino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Query BTS according to paramaters given by the user. It could filter the bugs by maintaner, uploader, package, usertags, tags, etc. Display a list with bug number, title and tags to the user. So I could query for all bugs with a specific tag (or usertag). I could query for bugs of a specific package. I could query for bugs of packages of a specific maintainer, that are grave severity, with a specific tag. etc? My initial idea would be to implement this on a GTK user interface. The code should be done in some way to facilitate reuse on creation of other interfaces (curses?). Suggestions are very welcome. A combination commandline/curses interface (like aptitude) would work well IMHO. (I'm not opposed to a graphical interface, but a cammandline and/or curser inteface is very important to have.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Plain English Please
Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you look at the URL the original poster mentioned, I think they have a point - exposing the cdimage.d.o directory layout like this isn't really user friendly, we want possible users to find our distribution without having to search through FAQs, this should be a no-brainer. So while I don't think this is a dramatic problem, it might certainly be something we could improve on. One thing which just crosses my mind is to maybe blend out most of the architectures, and only expose direct links to i386, amd64 and powerpc plus an Other architectures link. We have a recurring support problem in #debian having to explain people that their new Intel 64bit based box is really amd64 and not ia64, for example. Well this is due to Intel's stupidity. They created IA64 when what was really needed was something like Amd64. Then they realized that amd64 was a better design. They added it to the IA32 line under the name EM64T (without marketing the processors as 64 bit). Now they call it Intel64 and market the processors as 64 bit. Perhaps we can add Intel64 symlinks to AMD64? That could hopefully eliminate many of these questions. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Plain English Please
Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 09:53:48AM -0500, Joe Smith wrote: Well this is due to Intel's stupidity. They created IA64 when what was really needed was something like Amd64. Then they realized that amd64 was a better design. They added it to the IA32 line under the name EM64T (without marketing the processors as 64 bit). Now they call it Intel64 and market the processors as 64 bit. Eh, I know. Why is everybody trying to help people in this thread? The point is that our website isn't totally clear and straight-forward, and some users who don't know exactly (back when I had a C64, I didn't know what CPU was inside for most of the time either, neither did I care) are mistaken. So giving the correct answer in this thread isn't really helpful to people visiting our website. Which is why i suggested the Intel64 symlink. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Social Committee proposal text (diff)
Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 11:38:12AM +0100, Alexander Schmehl wrote: and I would think that social problems / discussions should be considered even more private. I disagree - if a problem is severe enough to get brought before soc-ctte, it's out in the open already, and needs to be dealt with transparently. Not nessesarally. A nasty non-technical dispute could occur on -private. I belive that the soc-ctte could be asked to deal with this. It may not be public, and it is possible that it should not be public. That is especially true if the issue is privacy related. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Improving the DAM-queue?
Christoph Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Reinhard Tartler 2006-10-11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From my observations, is seems that the only persons who can judge about these questions are the current DAMs (James and Joerg), and perhaps the DPL, since only they can approve new members of FD and DAM. (Given that I understand the current practice correctly). New DAM and FD members get appointed by the existing members of the respective group. It seems as though 8.1.2 gives the DPL the power to apoint new members to the FD and DAM, and implies that those positions may be delegated positions by definition. That is not to say that your above statement is incorrect, but it sounds like new DAM/FD members may require DPL approval (even if implicit, i.e. lack of dissaproval). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fundamental flaw in bug reporting system
Michael Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I would understand a steep learning curve but this is a catch 22 overhang. I am a complete newbie. The install went great and I have my command line. Then I spend hours trying to find info on loading a GUI and the closest I get is GNOME support telling me to Click on the session icon but all I have is a command line. I decide that this could be a documentation bug or feature request and I try to submit a bug report but your system bounces it for poor info or structure. It looks like it will take me hours to figure out how to properly format a bug report so I will not try further. Sorry to hear that. The reccomended way to submit a bug report is by using the 'reportbug' program. That program will guide you through the needed steps. The fundamental problem is that a newbie lacks the understanding of the system or the patience that is needed to submit a bug report. Any bugs that stop newbies from using and learning the system go unreported and the system retains any flaws that exclude new users. My system is going back into storage for now. My guess is that you simply do not have a gui installed. Login using the username 'root' and the password you gave to the root account. Run this: aptitude update When that is finished run this: aptitude install xorg Once that is finished you have installed a GUI, but X11 by itself is barely usuable. You almost certainly want a Desktop Environment. To install one run: aptitude install gnome or aptitude install kde The choice is yours. KDE is more heavyweight but is probably slightly more freindly to users coming from Windows or Mac OS X. When you finally get back to the command line run reboot. If all went well, when it is finished rebooting, you will have a graphical login screen, which is then followed by a GUI. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Donations
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isn't money a word that cannot have a plural form? Not being a native English speaker, it's pretty hard for me to tell, obviously... Money means currency. Like with currency, plurals are not used to indicate the amount of the currency. However, when when talking about multiple types of currency (multiple types of money) you do use the plural. English is messed up. For example: Person (singluar): Individual. Persons (pural): Individuals. People (singlular): Population/Group of persons. Peoples (plural): Populations/Groups of persons. However, people is almost always used as the plural of person, and when used as such is treated as though it is plural, even though that is strictly ungramatical. But yet if one writes People is often foolish, everybody feels that the sentance is wrong and should be People are often foolish. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hi re: selling Debian
Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Gene, You could donate to SPI [1], the legal umbrella organization for Debian. Or you could tell us from which country you are and we can tell you, if there any other organizations, which accept money for Debian (like FFIS e.V. in Europe) [snip] Sure, see [2]. [snip] Also be sure to read http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/info Which contains some information important for vendors to know. For example it links to a page explaining legal implications of vending Discs containing software licenced under the GPL (as much of Debian is). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: irc.debian.org
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 30 Apr 2006, Steve McIntyre wrote: I've heard it suggested by a variety of people that we should move the official irc.debian.org alias away from freenode to oftc. I can see that more and more of my own Debian IRC discussions are on oftc, to the extent that I'm (currently) not on any freenode channels at all. On another front, oftc is also a sister org under the SPI umbrella. Thoughts? The only mitigating factor in my mind is that #debian on FN is many times bigger than #debian on OFTC, and the people who join because their IRC client points them at irc.debian.org/#debian (the default in many cases) will join. Beyond that, I don't really have an opinion either way. If the move is done, the FN channels should be kept open and the topic should redirect users to OFTC. Then any packages that reference the FN channel should be updated. Otherwise there would be split between the networks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Subscription
Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 03:35:41PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: The FreeBSD project has this kind of revenue generation. I can buy their distribution CDs. I can also buy user guide and administrators guide (books). I've personally looked a little bit at getting some more user manuals set up as in a print-on-demand fashion, but those would be available at the publisher's cost only. (And you could of course download the source code and print it yourself.) Hi, When Woody was still stable, I was able to email the pdf's of the installation guide and debian reference to a specified email address of the local Kinko's (US copy shop). I asked for b/w laser print/2 sided output/with spiral binding and clear plastic covers. The cost was about 15-20 USD each. Cheers, Kev Indeed. And now that fedex owns kinko's you have have it shipped back to you. They currently have a special printer driver for use with windows, that opens a wizard to guide a user through the steps. They also have a web interface. I'm not sure if they support COD which would be ideal, but overall kinko's is a great service for getting a hardcopy of something like the debian refernce material. If one wished to splurge They could go with the softcover book binding option. The only problem is the covers. For the book to look decent it should have a profestional looking cover. If softcover binding is used then having a printed spine is a nice feature also. Perhaps somebody can create covers and spines for the some of the Debian docs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: Re: Bug#345067: Draft of documenting the ide-generic problem
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wednesday 08 March 2006 16:34, Loïc Minier wrote: To post to the committee mailing list you must either be subscribed to the list from your posting address, or PGP-sign your message Fine, but I did not post to the ctte list. I followed up to a bug report that is assigned to them and that message _was_ signed with my key. Since tech-ctte is a package in b.d.o that list should whitelist messages with the header: X-Debian-PR-Package: tech-ctte regardless of signature or subscription status. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 1 question
Tomasz Kaźmierczak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi. Is the software (kernel, packets, etc.) in testing distribution of Debian compiled in debug mode or in release mode? Tomek Not only is this the wrong list, but it is an absurd question. Debian is not compiled using Visual Studio! In VS: debug mode means unoptimized with debugging symbols and release mode is optimazed but no debugging symbols. In a GNU/Linux system you have many choices: * Optimized (there are many levels of optimazation available) * unoptimized For both of those you have the following choices for debugging symbols: * Include them. * Include them in a seperate file. * Do not include them. So asking which mode the packages are compiled in makes no more sense than asking if testing supports Windows drivers. (Which it does not, although some wrappers around windows drivers do exist and can be found in contrib). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FTP link
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! I have a question about your ftp servers. i am creating a debian website for newbies. i wrote an installation guide for the debian installation. in this guide i want to show where the user can download the ISO datas. my question is: can i create a direct link to the ftp server? or is it illegal? it looks like this: [i386]-- download(behind download is the link to the debian ftp download server) You can link directly to the image, but if you do so be sure you use a round robin server. For example: ftp.us.debian.org or ftp.de.debian.org rather than linking to one of our mirrors directly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [SPAM] Re: Debian Wall Posters
Alexander Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060302 22:40]: wow, those were cool. Any others? Ones that look more like advertising/marketing/promotional? Like those? http://www.debian.org/events/material#posters The problem with that page is that most of the material is quite old. Even up to six years old! Debian tends to have quite a bit of old unmaintained stuff lying around. That said, this is not a problem if people intereested in this stuff are willing and able to update it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mac project?
Sven Luther wrote On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 03:42:54PM -0700, Jason Schaller wrote: Greetings! Any chance that you guys will be porting Debian to the new Mac Intel-built Core Duo processors (assuming the current PowerPC version won't run on them)? Well, they are no powerpc macs, so i guess having debian running on them is probably similar to running debian on any random x86 box, with the added hurdle that you will find some closed hardware and maybe hostility from apple. Windows Vista is belived to run on them, so the new macs are already supported by GNU/Linux. (If that seems strange remember that GNU/Linux supports virtually everything Windows supports.) Also note that hostility from Apple is unlikely. Apple has already said they will do nothing to prevent installing Windows on these PCs. (Yes, finally you can call a Mac a PC. w00t!) Apple really won't oppose GNU/Linux either. Apple is mainly only concerned with people runing OS X on non Apple Hardware. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on one dvd?
Siward de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Here i think clause b) is sufficient, as info on debian servers is machine-readable, and the internet is a medium customarily used for software interchange. So clause c) is not needed. Last paragraph is not applicable, and though it gives impression that 'offering access' is only OK if binaries were gotten from same place, it does not actually state that, so we are not bound by that. The FSF diagrees. See below. And in case you don't agree with that, clause c) can be used, as all packages on this DVD come from a Debian release, which was gotten with an offer to distribute source, and you only redistribute (unmodified) from that distribution, so pointing to debian.org's servers is explicitly OK. Debian does not distribute the images under clause B, and clause C does not apply unless the licencee recieves the work under clause B. So either which way, this does not allow distribution with a pointer to an ftp server. Now here is the FSF opinion on the issue: Q: I want to distribute binaries without accompanying sources. Can I provide source code by FTP instead of by mail order? A: You're supposed to provide the source code by mail-order on a physical medium, if someone orders it. You are welcome to offer people a way to copy the corresponding source code by FTP, in addition to the mail-order option, but FTP access to the source is not sufficient to satisfy section 3 of the GPL. When a user orders the source, you have to make sure to get the source to that user. If a particular user can conveniently get the source from you by anonymous FTP, fine--that does the job. But not every user can do such a download. The rest of the users are just as entitled to get the source code from you, which means you must be prepared to send it to them by post. If the FTP access is convenient enough, perhaps no one will choose to mail-order a copy. If so, you will never have to ship one. But you cannot assume that. Of course, it's easiest to just send the source with the binary in the first place. Basically the FSF belives medium implies physical medium. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on one dvd?
Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: Why not just use the stock DVD 1 image? As always, packages are sorted on the disk images according to criteria like package priority and popcon numbers, so probably ought to be 99% or more of the packages that 99% of the users will need. Unless there are specific packages missing from disk 1 that you know are needed for this market, the stock ISO seems like it would be fine. well there is that. The Indian fonts and things seem to be on DVD 2. Also the stock image does not include source code correct? Then how do we meet the conditions of the GPL? I don't think the written offer option is feasible for the publishers (though I'll ask to make sure.) It is probably legal for them to hire somebody/something else to send source cds on request. Then they just have the message give the adress of the other entity. Note that the magazine would still be legal responsable for ensuring that the discs are shipped, so the entity that ships the sources would need to be under contract. Also note that some software may be under a licence that does not allow this form of distribution. Let us assume for now that sources are ot an issue. Most archs fit on 2 dvds, so a single double sided disk would work fine, as long as people can understand the names disk one and disk two refer to different sides, and can figure out which side is which. Anyway perhaps the best solution (if possible, I assume these are pressed disks, not burned disks) is a double sided dual-layer disk. One side would have (nearly all) the packages from disks 1 and 2, and the other side would have (the same nearly all) the sources. However, such disks are expensive. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Intel devices supported on Debian
Max Alt: wrote At this point the kit supports selected Intel® Desktop boards built on the Intel® D845, D865, and D915 chipsets. Assuming demand from our customer continues, we will update this kit for future Intel products and future Debian releases. If you have comments or concerns, please let me know! As Intel appears to realize, the best way to to make sure things work is send needed drivers upstream. I'll say I'm slightly surprised such drivers were nessisary. Often generic drivers will work. Although if these chipsets are fairly dfferent than the others that exist, it makes sense. Obviously specific drivers are better if the generic drivers do not support all features, etc. If at all possible these drivers should be available as .deb's that conform to Debian policy. This helps to ensure that the drivers do not mess up other packages. It is important that resellers note that these drivers are installed. The Debian project is obviously unable to guarantee support for such packages.
Re: Retailing
Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian indeed does not distribute the BIOS ... _but_ whoever sells a computer with Debian pre-installed most certainly does distribute the BIOS. That is what we are talking about; please try to read threads before replying to them. I was adressing the potential 'linking' with the bios from the standpoint of Debian. Regardless the whole concept is non-sensical. Next somebody will talk about the linking between the Kernel and the non-free firmware in a harddrive. Ot the linking between all applications running on a transmeta processor and its non-free IA-32 simulator (or would that be emulator?). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Retailing
Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Kieran Lloyd writes: Dear Sirs, I am considering selling some home made PC's on Ebay, the thing is I want to sell these pre-installed with Debian Linux. Would Debian have any argument with this? I will obviously be advertising that the Pc's have Debian installed however I will not be charging for it I would only be charging a mark up on my hardware. Please advise if this would be acceptable. It seems odd to me that no one has yet pointed out the congruences between this request and that of Nexenta. For example, GRUB and Linux are both licensed under the GPL. Both would be included with these retail systems and would be written to locate and call functions within the BIOS; that is, GRUB and Linux would be dynamically linked against the (presumably non-free) BIOS. The difference is that Debian does not distribute the BIOS. The exception in the GPL says this: However, as a special exception, the source code distributed need not include anything that is normally distributed (in either source or binary form) with the major components (compiler, kernel, and so on) of the operating system on which the executable runs, unless that component itself accompanies the executable. This would prevent the CDDL'ed kernel from being a problem, except that the kernel would be distributed with the programs when we ship CDs. The BIOS is most certainly part of the operating system in which the bootloaders run. We do not distribute the BIOS. Therefore the above clause does most certainly resolve the issue. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Retailing
Kieran Lloyd wrote: I am considering selling some home made PC's on Ebay, the thing is I want to sell these pre-installed with Debian Linux. Would Debian have any argument with this? I will obviously be advertising that the Pc's have Debian installed however I will not be charging for it I would only be charging a mark up on my hardware. Please advise if this would be acceptable. Hello. While the other people to respond have covered your question fairly well, I would like to summarize and add a few additional pieces of information. (Disclaimer: I'm am in no way affiliated with Debian besides being just a user. However, I have been lurking on the mailing lists for long enough to start to understand how Debian developers feel. So while the following may not reflect the offica feelings of Debian, I suspect it at least comes close.) First of all, Thank you for for choosing Debian GNU/Linux. We certainly appreicate that you chose to distibute your computers with a free (as in speech) operating system. Debian does not object, and even encourages sale of computers with Debian GNU/Linux pre-installed. The fact that you intend to include it at no additional cost is even better, as it will increase the exposure of Free Software. You could even charge for the pre-installation of Debian, but personally I would prefer if you did not. You noted that you would be advertising the fat that debian GNU/Linux was pre-installed. You may wish to use our spiral logo which can be found on this page: http://www.debian.org/logos/ Chris mentioned that you needed to distribute source code. He noted that the easiest way was to include the cd forms burned onto recordable discs. Please consider also including a copy of the 'binary' cds. This will help your customers install parts of the OS that they are interested in, that you did not pre-install. Thnaks again, and if you have any further questions please email me off-list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Re: Debian 3.0 Bin. CDs, tried in vain to buy it on-line.
also concerned about Debian vendors. Are they really exist? Yes they do exist. It is just hard to find woody, because a new version has been released. I would reccomend that you just buy Sarge. If you really want Woody, then try this russian site that seems to be selling it: Bin CD: http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/1670776/ Bin CDs+Source CDs: http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/1670686/ References, the thread: 2005, July, 31, Sunday - http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2005/07/msg00285.html 2005, July, 31, Sunday - http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2005/07/msg00287.html 2005, October, 8, Saturday - http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2005/10/msg00037.html Regards, Cyril, Esq. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Approaching VMware (and others) to get Debian listed as supported ?
Here are my notes and feeling about Debian guest. I run a Debian sid textmode system in VMware. It works fine. The only problem is that framebuffer does not work right, but i'm pretty sure it is a configuration problem with my Debian guest as Knoppix's framebuffer works fine. I have no desire to use x11. There is a system called VMware Tools, which allows certain advanced functionality like copying and pasting between host and guest. The problem with this is that the install system is redhat inspired and it will install into /usr. An offical (even if 'non-free') debian packaging of VMware-tools, would fix this. The other problem is that these tools require X11. I would really like to see text mode versions of these daemons created and packaged. The simple fact is that while some of the components of VMware tools need or at least utilize X11, some like clock synchronization, or 'shared folders' do not require this at all. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Software Packages in stable - [security]
As you can probably tell I am new to Debian but I am sure I will have forgotten what Microsoft is once I start using it. I doubt you will forget Microsoft (the enemy). You will just much prefer Debian, or so we hope. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Delegation for trademark negotiatons with the DCCA
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But beyond that, yes, when there's something to report, I plan on making either -private or -project as appropriate aware of what is being done, just like any other delegate. Please try to keep as much of it public as reasonable possible, I understand that ongoing negotiations are usually private. On the other hand, i feel that posts on -private should be limited to as few as reasonably possible, few things really need that security, save for things like security issues themselves. Even those can usually safely be made public after theyh have been dealt with. Perhaps occasional postings to -devel that sumarizes the decussions in -private that no longer had any good reason to be private, would be helpful to the project. Belive it or not, more people are interested in the projects wellbeing than the developers themselves. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#321701: bug handling is a maintainers job
May I suggest a less controversial way to handle this would be to have a script that automaticly closes *new* wishlist bugs and sends the submitter a message like this: The Debian maintainer of Firefox is not repsonsible for incorporating new features into Firefox. It would also be an impossible task to forward all wishlist requests upstream. Accordingly, if you are seriously interested in seeing this feature implemented, please discuss it on a Mozilla mailing list/newsgroup. If other people support your idea then you should open a bug report on Mozilla's bugzilla using the form at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi (you will need to create an account first.) If your bug was Debian specific then you should re-open it by sending the following message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [Insert generated message for re-opening bugs] Regards, [Name of Script] on behalf of Eric Dorland Debian Firefox Maintainer It explains the reason you cannot forward all bugs, and it helps to filter wishlist requests that are not reasonable from being posted. I assume wishlist because feature requests should always be wishlist. The quoted message does not say anything about real bugs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why isn't queue/new world-readable?
Also, Based on another message I read (on this very list IIRC) Debian is used by the government as an example of the propper way to export open source cryptographic software. If this is correct that is a nearly fail-safe defence against any possible claims. Therefore I reccomend making zero changes without consulting with both a lawyer and a represxentive of both the BXA and NSA. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
