Re: forums.debian.net - who's in charge?
I've contacted the admins personally - and posted a thread about this in the "staff" section of the forums, so I hope people will get involved. I've also replied to this thread privately (not wanting to expose anyone's contact details who may or may not want them so) so that the current admins can be involved, if they wish. On Mar 30 2021, at 8:29 pm, Steve McIntyre <93...@debian.org> wrote: > [ Responding to both Mez and Ganneff ] > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 06:50:00PM +0100, Martin Meredith wrote: > >Nominally, I was put in charge a while back, as whoever was in charge > >of it at the time didn’t want to be involved any more, and there was > >a need for something to be done related to the software/server (I > >can’t quite remember) - which is where Joerg was involved. > > > >There was a LOT of controversy at the time, as I put in place a team > >of (volunteer, non DD) moderators and admins - some of the community > >decided that this was a restriction of their free speech, branded me > >a nazi, and split off to make their own “competitor” forums. > > How "nice" of them. :-/ > >I didn’t want to be particularly involved after all of that, and made > >this clear to the team and those involved. I did ask for assistance > >in various places at the time, but to no avail. > > ACK, that matches my recollection as an outside observer at the > time. I understand your position, and it's a shame you didn't get more > help at the time... :-( > > >I’ve voiced my opinion on multiple occasions that it should be taken > >down, or taken over by someone with the will to work on it, but > >whilst no ones been willing to step up and take it on, the general > >consensus was that it would be better to exist than to not. > > Hmmm, Considering some of the complaints that we've had, I'm more > convinced of the opposite now. > > >Last I left the forums, it was being led by a small team of admins > >and mods who cad proven themselves as competent and capable, and I > >had left them to manage this on their own, with a request to reach > >out to me if they needed assistance. > > > >The forums are a “community” forums, not official “Debian” forums, so > >it’s hard to lead - those who are toxic within the official community > >get dealt with via DAM or similar, but minuscule actions on the > >forums have previously led to “outcry” (threats of brigading > >complaints to DAM/DPL about me, for example). > > > >I honestly don’t think that the forum is worth it, and I think it > >would be safer if there were more DDs involved, rather than just the > >community. > > Right. > On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 11:20:46PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > > >I *do* have admin access on the web part too, but I always said I won't use > >that for normal day-to-day forums stuff, only when required for machine > >maintenance works. > > > >So yeah, I have access, but I am not really interested in the user facing > >part of it. If someone (a team, possibly with tight connections to Debian, so > >contributor/project member?!) is, I am (and I think Martin too) are happy to > >hand out access on the web. > > So I've been hoping that we might actually get some responses from the > existing community-based admins to this thread. Are any of them of the > teams@ email alias there? > > As it stands, we're getting complaints elsewhere in Debian about toxic > behaviour and attitudes on the forums. Simply put, bad behaviour there > is hurting users and giving Debian a bad name. Neither of those are > acceptable for a service that many of our users believe is part of > (and run by) Debian. > > If anybody has contact details for the existing admins, please ask > them to respond to me. If we don't get something sensible going *soon* > I'll have no choice but to ask DSA to remove the DNS for the service. > > -- > Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. st...@einval.com > "I've only once written 'SQL is my bitch' in a comment. But that code > is in use on a military site..." -- Simon Booth >
Re: forums.debian.net - who's in charge?
Hi Felix, I've also added you to the admin group. The technical side of things does need a fair bit of work (the forums need an upgrade, we need to add Let's Encrypt etc). On Mar 30 2021, at 10:38 pm, Felix Lechner wrote: > Hi Donald, > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:38 PM Donald Norwood wrote: > > > > Ideally a few other DDs will join > > I would be happy to assist you in a subordinate capacity, if needed. > My user name is 'lechner'. I tried three captchas, and there was no TLS. > Kind regards > Felix Lechner >
Re: forums.debian.net - who's in charge?
If you want to register an account, and let me know what it is i can give you access - though we have had a few glitches recently with people complaining about not being able to read the captcha > On 30 Mar 2021, at 21:28, Donald Norwood wrote: > > Hi Steve, > >> On 3/30/21 3:14 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> Hey Donald, >> >> I think the key piece I'm looking for is people prepared to admin and >> monitor the forums as a safe place for Debian users. Documenting what >> that means shouldn't be too hard - we'd want to see our existing CoC >> applied. >> > > > I'll step up to help admin/manage the process if the admin teams are > unable to at this time. Ideally a few other DDs will join the effort, > but for now we can try to save it with some moderation or in the least a > presence. > > Best wishes, > -Donald > -- > -- > - > ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ > ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Donald Norwood > ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ B7A1 5F45 5B28 7F38 4174 > ⠈⠳⣄ D5E9 E5EC 4AC9 BD62 7B05 >
Re: forums.debian.net - who's in charge?
Nominally, I was put in charge a while back, as whoever was in charge of it at the time didn’t want to be involved any more, and there was a need for something to be done related to the software/server (I can’t quite remember) - which is where Joerg was involved. There was a LOT of controversy at the time, as I put in place a team of (volunteer, non DD) moderators and admins - some of the community decided that this was a restriction of their free speech, branded me a nazi, and split off to make their own “competitor” forums. I didn’t want to be particularly involved after all of that, and made this clear to the team and those involved. I did ask for assistance in various places at the time, but to no avail. I’ve voiced my opinion on multiple occasions that it should be taken down, or taken over by someone with the will to work on it, but whilst no ones been willing to step up and take it on, the general consensus was that it would be better to exist than to not. Last I left the forums, it was being led by a small team of admins and mods who cad proven themselves as competent and capable, and I had left them to manage this on their own, with a request to reach out to me if they needed assistance. The forums are a “community” forums, not official “Debian” forums, so it’s hard to lead - those who are toxic within the official community get dealt with via DAM or similar, but minuscule actions on the forums have previously led to “outcry” (threats of brigading complaints to DAM/DPL about me, for example). I honestly don’t think that the forum is worth it, and I think it would be safer if there were more DDs involved, rather than just the community. > On 29 Mar 2021, at 16:04, Steve McIntyre <93...@debian.org> wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 07:58:33AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote: >> Hi, >> >>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 7:34 AM Steve McIntyre <93...@debian.org> wrote: >>> >>> It's better to do something about >>> that up-front (ideally by provoking people to step up) than wait for >>> bad things to happen. >> >> I agree with that sentiment, but in light of other efforts to limit >> public discourse—such as shortening the discussion period on a >> controversial GR—it seems poor timing to shut down a public forum. > > Is that you volunteering to be an admin, then...? > > -- > Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com > "I can't ever sleep on planes ... call it irrational if you like, but I'm > afraid I'll miss my stop" -- Vivek Das Mohapatra >
forums.debian.net - Back for Real this time
Right, hopefully nothing will go wrong this time, so I'm announcing that the forums are back. Now I think I'm going to get a well earned beer -- Regards, Martin "Mez" Meredith signature.asc Description: Digital signature
forums.debian.net update
*yawns* Good morning all. It seems that the conversion worked as I ran it overnight, we are now back to the 17th. I've got some minot things to do later on today to secure the forums, but after that's done, we'll be ready to rock again. I've got to go to work now, but Ill finish up when I get back. -- Regards, Martin "Mez" Meredith signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Forums.debian.net are back!
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 09:02:43PM +, Martin Meredith wrote: > After hard work upgrading and securing and moving and upgrading and upgrading > again, forums.debian.net is back! > It seems I spoke too soon. I didn't notice, as I wasn't looking for it, but a lot of the data seems to be missing. Seems the attacker did this aswell. I'm going to have to roll back the database to the 17th and perform the upgrade again. Apologies for getting people's hopes up. It should be back by Sunday Evening. -- Regards, Martin "Mez" Meredith signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Forums.debian.net are back!
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:20:29AM +0300, Akis Panas wrote: > Well done! > > You have some issues with the email settings. > I can't register with my domain mail or the gmail one > The returnig error: > >The entered e-mail domain has no valid MX record. This should be fixed now > Are you planing to add more languages for the user interface? > As in the previus installation? > Thanks. > Not my decision to make, so I'm unsure -- Regards, Martin "Mez" Meredith signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Forums.debian.net are back!
After hard work upgrading and securing and moving and upgrading and upgrading again, forums.debian.net is back! -- Regards, Martin "Mez" Meredith signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: lenny release at epoche 1234567890 ?
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 04:48:16PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Martin Meredith wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 02:14:53PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > > Gebhardt Thomas (10/02/2009): > > > > just noticed that epoche 1234567890 is at 2009-02-14. That would be a > > > > release date that is easy to remember. > > > > > > <49862854.1070...@googlemail.com> > > > > I so need to write a function that'll let me search my mails in mutt based > > on > > message id :D > > / i~49862854.1070...@googlemail.com > > See http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-4.html#ss4.2 for details. Which I believe only searches in the current folder, so it's not exactly that useful. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: lenny release at epoche 1234567890 ?
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 02:14:53PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Gebhardt Thomas (10/02/2009): > > just noticed that epoche 1234567890 is at 2009-02-14. That would be a > > release date that is easy to remember. > > <49862854.1070...@googlemail.com> I so need to write a function that'll let me search my mails in mutt based on message id :D signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Project machines upgrade
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 05:43:02PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed Jan 28, 2009 at 13:03:15 +0000, Martin Meredith wrote: > > I think this would have been nice on d-d-a too :D > > that is what debian-infrastructure-announce is for. Which is a list that until I read this thread here in -project, I'd never heard of. I think that it's important that Developers are aware of infrastructure issues, and should be made aware of them (so they don't start getting headaches when things don't work!) I think though, that this is more of a case of a documentation issue though, the infrastructure-announce should probably be mentioned in some places alongside d-d-a, so people who're interested can subscribe. I'll have a look and find some places where I think it could be usefully documented :D signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Project machines upgrade
I think this would have been nice on d-d-a too :D On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 02:26:02PM +, Stephen Gran wrote: > Hello everyone, > > We're finally getting close enough to the Lenny release that we're going to > start upgrading some of the infrastructure machines to Lenny. As always, > we'll try to minimize periods of downtime, and we will announce them on > debian-infrastructure-announce before beginning an upgrade process. > > We will be testing all the public services running on each machine after > the upgrade, but we ask those of you who have better knowledge of a > particular service, or scripts running on a given host, to test after the > upgrade of that host. > > If you experience any problems after an upgrade (and you've checked that > it's not just a problem with your code ;), please don't hesitate to ask for > assistance at the usual places. > > Cheers, > -- > - > | ,''`.Stephen Gran | > | : :' :sg...@debian.org | > | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer | > |`- http://www.debian.org | > - signature.asc Description: Digital signature
