Re: questions about audit and budget processes

[Martin Wuertele]

* martin f krafft  [2016-03-03 13:22]:

(...)

> In my opinion, neither a balance sheet nor a P statement make any
> sense and would be far too difficult to create and maintain. We
> wouldn't even know what standard to us. IFRS? US-GAAP? Neither of
> those are particularly applicable to an organisation of our nature.

I disagree on that point based von the following examples:

Greenpeace internationl: IFRS for SME
Medecins Sans Frontieres: IFRS
Human Rights Watch: US GAAP
WWF: UK GAAP
Human Rights Watch: US GAAP
...

Especially IFRS for SME fits quite well the needs of NPO/NGO
organisations similar to the Debian project.

yours Martin

Re: Backports removed from sources.list ;-(

[Martin Wuertele]

* Paul van der Vlis p...@vandervlis.nl [2015-04-19 17:45]:

 I saw backports has been removed as default setting from sources.list in
 Jessie RC3. I am very disappointed by this last minute change, without
 much discussion so far I know. I did not know about this bug.
 
 In my opinion it's very good when backports is default in sources.list.

Shouldn't that go into /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ anyways?

One could argue that, propably after jessie, a backports backage with
documentation and an entry in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ might be a
userfriendly solution.

Yours Martin 


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Re: DebConf travel sponsorship (was: Re: [Debconf-team] Budget status - travel sponsorship)

[Martin Wuertele]

* Iain Lane la...@debian.org [2012-06-20 16:25]:

 Decisions and transfers of money should happen significantly before the
 conference is to take place. 4-6 months, as you suggest, is probably
 about fair. I would very much hope, given the importance of Debconf,
 that Debian is willing to underwrite this cost.

I disagree here. For documentation and accounting purpose tickets and
similar invoices are required. From experience if you give money out
first you are hunting documents forever. However if we take the usual 6
weeks credit card delay period into account it should be possible to
reimburse, provided copies of the documents are sent in time, within
that period.

yours Martin


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Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf11 financial report

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi Richard!

Thanks a lot for your afford!

Yours Martin


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Re: DDG

[Martin Wuertele]

* vangelis mouhtsis vange...@gnugr.org [2012-03-29 12:20]:

 And how can i avoid to have DDG as default search URL on my iceweasel?
 I think thats not fair enough.

Change it just the way you would if you didn't want google as default.

Yours Martin


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Re: License doubt

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi Lucas!

* Lucas Pomez lucaspo...@gmail.com [2011-10-02 19:06]:

 I need do know if is it possible to modify the debian installer pics to
 adapt it to a new distribution i want to do.

If you refere to the SpaceFun theme see
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/SpaceFun

Yours
Martin


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Re: Please draft a policy for planet.debian.org

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi!

* Martin Zobel-Helas zo...@debian.org [2010-11-11 10:56]:

 
 I have been made aware that people use Debian resources for personal
 financial gain using the planet.d.o syndication platform, by for
 instance including 'flattr' links and images in the text present on
 planet.
 
 Furthermore there are reports of webbugs in some feeds syndicated  on
 planet, or things that systematically leak browsing behaviour to third
 parties by including images directly from these sides.
 
 I think these occurrences might conflict with the rules that govern use
 of Debian resources. At the very least I consider them to be of
 extremely bad taste.
 
 Therefor I ask you, the maintainers of planet.d.o, to please draft a
 policy or set of guidelines that will prevent such abuse.  Violation of
 this policy should probably be grounds for removal from
 planet.debian.org.

+1

Martin


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Re: commercial spam on planet

[Martin Wuertele]

* Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org [2010-11-10 16:21]:

 AFAIK the DMUP rules were meant to avoid problems that DSA would have to
 deal with (either legal problems or supplementary useless work). I don't
 think that the presence or the absence of a flattr button/link is going to
 make any difference in terms of workload to DSA. It's also clearly not a
 legal problem.

So you have already verified that this will not bring any legal or
fiscal problems to SPI-INC as well. Would mind sharing the findings?

Yours Martin


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Re: dpkg feature implementation

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi dE!

* dE . de.tec...@gmail.com [2010-01-05 12:13]:

 The developers and administrators will have to understand my point.
 
 This is the only reason why people refuse to install any Linux OS. I
 really don't have an answer to these simple windows users when they
 say what about offline software installation?. Now I cant explain
 them technical procedures to it, they'll happily reject it.

As simple as with windows: get the CD/DVD.

 Security and size problems of super deb packages will always be there
 with such packages, this is a major disadvantage, but considering
 super deb packages will remove this major drawback with Linux...it
 think it's worth it.

You can build any Package statically linked which pretty much is the
same as Windows applications. However this introduces the security
nightmare Windows has: 10 installed programs have 10 different versions
of libraries statically linked and if a bug is found in the library
you're mostly left alone as some vendors will provide an update, some
won't and you can not be sure that all 10 applications are either fixed
or the version they have statically linked doesn't bear the security
bug. 

 If this system is made to commence, all people who have refused to
 install Linux is cause of it's packaging system (IMO, to all people
 who have rejected so far under my knowledge) will have no problems
 installing it. They don't have problems with root folder, nor the
 mount system...they only have problems with this.

I doubt's that's a huge number and that their arguments are based on
good arguments. It's quite a task to keep a Windows system secure with
all the (montly) updates without Internet connection and when you buy
new peripherals (e.g. printers, scanners) and you happen to run XP you
most likely want to dump the driver shipped with the hardware and get
the curent one via Internet.

Yours Martin


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Re: squeeze release cycle?

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi Raphael!

* Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org [2009-11-10 00:36]:

 But indeed it's only a proposal at this point. The release team needs
 to set a date in stone now.

If you're talking about the Ubuntu release team that's up to them. If
you talk about the Debian release team then I don't think so. A
proposale is a proposal not a policy.

Yours Martin


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Re: Switching the default startup method

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi Steve!

* Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org [2009-08-24 09:19]:

 So far, the only bugs that have been highlighted in this thread appear to be
 bugs that happen when trying to remove insserv.  If there aren't any
 problems with the new system, why do we need to support downgrading?

Because several people prefere to use file-rc for various reasons, e.g.
on embedded systems. Therefore it is essential that insserv can be
purged without running into such bugs.

Yours
Martin


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Re: Switching the default startup method

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi Steve!

* Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org [2009-08-24 10:03]:

 The main thing I know about file-rc is that it's a corner case that further
 breaks upgrade handling when packages need to renumber their symlinks in
 /etc/rc?.d.  I know embedded is often used as a catch-all to describe all
 kinds of crackful ideas, but I'm at a loss to see how this makes file-rc
 in particular appealing to anyone.

It's easy to maintain, it doesn't require a bunch of symlinks like
sysv-rc nor does it require the magic of insserv, it is easy to change
the order in which services are started without time-consuming resolving 
dependencies (eg linksys WRT54GS v1.1, asus wl500g boot pretty fast with
it).

Yours
Martin


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Re: Switching the default startup method

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi Tollef!

* Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no [2009-08-24 10:27]:

 ]] Andreas Barth 
 
 | Eh. This translates to: it is ok that the admin cannot switch back
 | from insserv to oldstyle booting.
 | 
 | And that is a statement that I heavily disagree with. I think neither
 | our users nor our developers at large considers that a feature, but
 | rather a very grave bug.
 
 Downgrades have never been officially supported, though.  Isn't this
 approximately the same thing?

If file-rc is a downgrade from insserv depends on your pov.

Yours
Martin


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Re: Switching the default startup method

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi Giacomo!

* Giacomo A. Catenazzi c...@debian.org [2009-08-24 11:33]:

 BTW the resolving dependencies is done at installation/update time, not at
 every boot.

You're right. I should time the calculation on those ~200 MHz low-ram boxes 
- I don't expect this to be reasonably fast tough.

Yours Martin


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Re: Switching the default startup method

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi Luk!

* Luk Claes l...@debian.org [2009-08-24 19:42]:

 There is no reason to use insserv on embedded systems, though if you do,
 you could create the image somewhere else on a fast machine and don't
 have the draw backs of time-consuming resolving dependencies AFAICS?

If insserv breakes all other options there is a problem and this
currently is the case.

Yours Martin


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Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

[Martin Wuertele]

* Moritz Muehlenhoff j...@inutil.org [2009-08-03 19:30]:

 Aligning our releases with RHEL rather than with Ubuntu seems more
 worthwhile to me. They have similar stabilisation lengths as we did
 for previous releases and they're investing a lot of work into the
 kernel, from which we could profit immensely.

+1


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Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

[Martin Wuertele]

* Marc Haber mh+debian-proj...@zugschlus.de [2009-07-30 09:16]:

 I don't think that we shouldn't time our releases according to what
 Mark Shuttleworth says. We are not Ubuntu's slave even if they try
 hard to make it look like that.
 
 In fact, I would prefer if Ubuntu had to change _their_ scheduled to
 accomodate us, if they want to have the advantage of being in sync
 with us. It's _their_ advantage after all, not ours.
 
 Our 18-to-24-month release cycle was a nice vehicle to stay
 asynchronous with Ubuntu, which _I_ consider a desireable feature to
 prevent Debian from perishing. We are not only major supplier to
 Ubuntu, we have our end customers ourselves. I'd prefer that it stayed
 that way.

Couldn't have it phrased better.

+1

Yours Martin


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Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

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* Sandro Tosi mo...@debian.org [2009-07-29 07:39]:

  Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes
 
 No, the project DID NOT decide it, the release team did, and the
 project has to accept it; there's a lot of difference.

No see 4.1.3 of the constitution Make or override any decision
authorised by the powers of the Project Leader or a Delegate.

  Time-based freezes will allow the Debian Project to blend the
  predictability of time based releases with its well established policy of
  feature based releases. The new freeze policy will provide better
  predictability of releases for users of the Debian distribution, and also
 
 bullshit! we are trading quality for what? We release when it's ready,
 not when the clock ticks. it's completely a non-sense, and it's
 generating only bad feelings in developers and users.

freeze != release, I'm not happy with the way the decision was
communicated. I beg you to mind your wording tough.

 1. what about the developers that couldn't come to DC? don't we
 deserve to be asked for our opinion? are we of a lower class? is this
 a decision only made by a team and then you want to us to pretend the
 whole project decided it?

It is a delegate decision according to 2.5 of the constitution.

yours
Martin


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Re: What is preventing Debian from being fully free at this moment?

[Martin Wuertele]

* Fred frederiqu...@gmail.com [2009-07-29 06:12]:

 I'd love to see Debian comply to real GNU/FSF freedom. When I visit the
 website it boasts about how it is free.
 
 However, it is far from free while it is offering proprietary software as
 well as having binary blobs in the kernel.

The kernel part is known an constantly worked on, even upsteream.. If
you should find any proprietary software in main please feel free to
file an RC bug, I doubt tough that you will have success. 

Please mind that Debian itself only consists of main while contrib and
non-free are provided for user convenience (see sec 5 of the social
contract http://www.debian.org/social_contract)

Yours
Martin


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Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

[Martin Wuertele]

* Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org [2009-07-29 18:22]:

 Please, everybody, stop this kind of you evil DebConf attendees have
 decided for us all arguments. The time-based freeze has been
 announced/proposed during a talk at DebConf; it was fresh news for the
 attendees as it was fresh news for everybody else receiving it via
 -announce a few hours later.

And that makes it any better?

Yours Martin


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Re: debian developers from *any* country ?

[Martin Wuertele]

* Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de [2009-07-28 18:19]:

 I think its not a problem to offer keysigning in the mentioned countries, if 
 an
 applicant will be accepted at the end is not decided by the place where his 
 key
 was signed. Also there are people from foreign countries living in the 
 mentioned
 countries - for example at the embassies - I guess it would make sense to give
 them a chance to meet for keysigning, too.

And even if people from these countries want to become Debian members
there is no problem as only SPI is bound by US jurisdiction.

2 cents, Martin


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Re: donation in EUR

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi Florian!

* Florian DUVAL [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-08-01 15:33]:

 I want to makea donation, but i'm in the EURO zone, is it possible to 
 donate in EUR ?
 
From http://www.debian.org/donations.en.html
Europe: Verein zur Förderung Freier Informationen und Software e.V.
(ffis) in Germany 

HTH Martin
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Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi Anthony!

* Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au [2007-02-15 09:37]:
 Not every criticism is an insult, and if you want to know why things
 don't happen you need to be able to take criticism without taking insult.
 
To some readers of your last mail 

 In general, I could pretty easily imagine a buildd that fails every
 one of those points still being suitable for a non-release arch for
 two years.

could be read as an answer to

  i think someone running more than one autobuilder for more than
  _two_ years now (okay, not for the officical archive, but i see that
  as nonrelevant here) demonstrats very good that he mets your
  mentioned technical constraints.

and therefore understood in the way that you don't think Martin complies
to the points give.

yours Martin
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withdrawal of my proposal [was: Policy (re)delegation]

[Martin Wuertele]

* Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-11-01 19:44]:

 With this mail I'm formally delegating Debian's policy maintenance to the
 following group:
 
   Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Junichi Uekawa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Margarita Manterola [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
I think this is a very good choice and therefore I withdraw the
Proposal to delay the decition of the DPL of the withdrawal of the
Package Policy Committee delegation I made in [1]. I see neitheri the
need to wait for the result of the immediate vote under section 4.2.2
nor to set the wml and other stuff for the actual vote.

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2006/10/msg00332.html

yours Martin
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Re: Policy delegation

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi Kalle!

* Kalle Kivimaa [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-10-25 14:03]:

 Martin Wuertele [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I therefore propose a resolution as defined in section 4.2.2 of the
 
 Do note that such proposals need to be sent to debian-vote to be
 effective.
 
And PGP/GPG signed but I'm in the office and I don't have a key with me
but I will send a signed mail to -vote tonight.

yours Martin
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Re: Policy delegation

[Martin Wuertele]

* Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au [2006-10-25 12:49]:

 I won't be looking into formally creating a new delegation 'til after
 etch has released, at which point I hope we can find at least four
 people who'll be active in maintaining policy according to the policy
 process we've had for quite some time.
 
Does it require dunc-tank money to get you to change your mind and find
policy maintainers now?

The release of etch is not a sufficient argument for your decision in my
option.

I therefore propose a resolution as defined in section 4.2.2 of the
debian constitution to delay the decision of the Debian Project Leader
keeping the Package Policy Committee as defined in
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00017.html in
place until the Debian Project Leader has found at least three people
who'll be active in maintaining policy according to the policy
process.

yours Martin
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Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

[Martin Wuertele]

 == BEGIN PROPOSAL =
 
 The Free Software movement is about enabling users to modify the works
 that they use on their computer; about giving users the same
 information that copyright holders and upstream developers have. As
 such, a critical part of the Free Software movement is the
 availability of source (that is, the form of the work that a copyright
 holder or developer would use to actually modify the work) to users.
 This makes sure that users are not held hostage by the whims (or lack
 of interest or financial incentive) of upstreams and copyright
 holders.
 
 Different types of works have different forms of source. For some
 works, the preferred form for modification may not actually be
 digitally transferable.[1] For others, the form that originally was
 preferred may have been destroyed at some point in time, and is no
 longer available to anyone. However, to the greatest extent
 possible,[2] the availability of source code to users is a critical
 aspect of having the freedom to modify the software that is running
 upon ones computer.
 
 Recognizing this, the Debian Project:
 
   A. Reaffirms that programmatic works distributed in the Debian
  system (IE, in main) must be 100% Free Software, regardless of
  whether the work is designed to run on the CPU, a subsidiary
  processing unit, or by some other form of execution. That is,
  works must include the form that the copyright holder or upstream
  developer would actually use for modification.
 
   B. Strongly recommends that all non-programmatic works distribute
  the form that the copyright holder or upstream developer would
  actually use for modification. Such forms need not be distributed
  in the orig.tar.gz (unless required by license) but should be
  made available on upstream websites and/or using Debian project
  resources.
 
   C. Reaffirms its continued support of users whose hardware (or
  software) requires works which are not freely licensed or whose
  source is not available by making such works available in
  non-free and providing project resources to the extent that
  Debian is capable of doing so.
 
   D. Requests that vendors of hardware, even those whose firmware is
  not loaded by the operating system, provide the prefered form for
  modification so that purchasers of their hardware can
  exercise their freedom to modify the functioning of their
  hardware.
 
 
 1: Consider film negatives, or magnetic tape in the case of audio
recordings.
 
 2: Here it must be emphasized that we refer to technically possible
or possible for some party as opposed to legally possible for
Debian. We also assume digital distribution, and do not attempt to
require the distribution of physical objects.
 
 = END PROPOSAL ===
 
seconded
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Re: Live image: strategic for Debian or not?

[Martin Wuertele]

* Ottavio Caruso [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-08-23 09:53]:

 --- Ottavio Caruso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  it as an official download, branded as Defiant Live
  image?
 
 Obviously I meant: Debian live image. Blame the
 Yahoo spellchecker!
 
Take a look at http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/

yours Martin
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youam erich: nicht? man, bist du konservativ! die sind ja fast 
sprichwoertlich von gestern!
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Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

[Martin Wuertele]

* Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-21 03:39]:

 On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 08:12:54PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
 
  SPI and Debian are separate organisations who share some goals. Debian
  is grateful for the legal support framework offered by SPI. Debian's
  Developers are currently members of SPI by virtue of their status as
  Developers.
 
 This paragraph was marked as unchanged in your diff, however it was actually
 changed below:
 
  SPI and Debian are separate organisations who share some
  goals. Debian is grateful for the legal support framework offered
  by SPI. Debian's Developers are eligible for contributing
  membership in SPI by virtue of their status as Developers.
 
 and should be clearly marked as part of the changes.
 
 Seconded, if you approve this editorial change to the GR. :)
 
Same here, seconded in that case.

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Re: Debian Server restored after Compromise

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi martin!

* martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-14 09:05]:

 As stated in the post, at least all those developers had their
 accounts locked.
 
But they can get their account unlocked. Maybe adding no-gpg-secret-keys
to DMUP might help.

yours Martin
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Re: Call for a new DPL mediation ... This will be the only thread i will reply to in the next time about this issue.

[Martin Wuertele]

* Benjamin Seidenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-21 06:15]:

 AIUI (please, correct me if I am wrong) the D-I repository is hosted on
 svn.d.o, a machine belonging to the debian project. I don't see why the
 DPL would have authority over the mailing lists (hosted on a debian
 machine and maintained by the list admins) but not the svn repo (hosted
 on a debian machine, maintained by the svn admins (alioth team?) and
 access for that particular repo controlled by the project admins).
 
 Not to say that I disagree that the team should be able to choose their
 own members. I think the best result would be for the entire D-I team to
 vote on it, and base the decision on that, but I don't think that would
 be accepted by all parties in the argument.
 
Forcing people to work togeather in teams does not work in voluntary
projects. If you would try to force me to work with someone I don't want
to work with I think I would stop contributing in that field and I'm
sure I'm not the only one.

yours Martin
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Re: Donations

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi Manoj!

* Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-12 15:47]:

 OK, How about this:

(... Manojs suggestion ...)

That sounds fine imo.

Thanks for the work.

yours Martin
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das war eines meiner ersten Programm in QBasic: move gorillas.bas
gorillas.exe, das dann ausführen hat den Rechner kaltgestartet, das 
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Re: Donations

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi Manoj!

* Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-11 15:37]:

 Hi,
 
 How about simplifying the strictures in the constitution to
  something like this:
 
 ] Since Debian has no authority to hold money or property, any
 ] monetary donations for the Debian Project must be made to any
 ] one of a set of organizations designated by the DPL to be
 ] allowed to handle such things in name of the Debian project.
 \footnote{Historically, Any property in hardware, trademarks, or in
 copyright was handled by SPI, our original legal umbrella organization
 in the U.S.}
 
 This means that the constitution adds the designation of
  financial organizations as a power of the DPL, and we shall not have
  to change the constitution to add or remove organizations to the
  approved list.
 
Why limit the change to monetary donations? It _could_ be easier in some
contries to donate hardware to DPL approved parties then to SPI
(countries with property tax and regulations on property transfer come
to my mind)

yours Martin
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Re: Shouldn't we have more ftp masters ?

[Martin Wuertele]

* Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-02 08:27]:

 I personally volunteer for this for doing kernel related NEW work, but i guess
 someone else can be found if you don't judge me dign of confiance.
 
Right, let's have everyone volunteer to process NEW for his pet
package... 

Martin
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Re: Issues regarding powerpc and Sven

[Martin Wuertele]

* Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-05-10 14:43]:

 On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:31:09PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
  And if anything, we now have an official decision on this matter (even
  though you might not like it), so we can all move along.
 
 All except me, naturally, right ? 

The world won't collide just because you didn't get cvs write back.

 Altough you are wrong, aj didn't really give a official position

Correct so far.

 he defaulted to follow the d-i team's position without giving any
 valable explanation, and clearly pointed that he considered the
 Technical Comitte and/or a GR the right way to continue this.

Where do you read that? He stated I've concluded that removing Sven's
commit access was a reasonable course of action and won't be asking that
you accept Sven's request to have it reinstated. 

Work is possible without cvs access, if you don't want to do so then
don't but please stop complaining.

 Friendly,
 
Nothing friendly in the last ton of your mails, maby you want to change
either your wording or your closing.

your Martin
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