Re: 1 year release good enough.
Hi, On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 15:16, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Le dimanche 01 janvier 2012 à 11:51 +0530, dE . a écrit : Further, Desktop systems dont require that much of stability and reliability and even security many times. This is the sentence with the highest bullshit density in your bullshit email. The largest security threat in today’s computing is certainly the terminal, as it is subject to a large amount of communication with a wide range of data of various sensibilities, making it the easiest way to expose sensible data from an open network. Desktops are the devices which require the most security attention, and in the next years this is going to shift to embedded devices as they start accessing an even wider range of data. I do agree with Josselin in here. How is that Desktops systems don't require that much stability? That's completely false. If you think from the point of view of a user, you should be able to conclude that when someone is using their Desktops and doing an important task for them, they don't want the applications or the system to fail. What I have been seeing, when it comes to changes in the release cycles in Debian, it is that sometimes people who wants to suggest something (as in this case) they actually do not understand correctly how Debian works currently. In any case, it is still important that these kind of discussions arise in certain times (but at least knowing a bit about the release cycles). Regards, -- Muammar El Khatib. Linux user: 403107. GPG Key = 127029F1 http://muammar.me | http://proyectociencia.org ,''`. : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ca+wevrysenjzprlqktfopi2ggrniceuurmfhekswb6fqkkk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian money
Hi, On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Petter Reinholdtsen p...@hungry.com wrote: [Giacomo A. Catenazzi] It is useful not only for Debian, so IMHO Debian could donate some money, but only if other big distributions (RedHat, SuSe/Novel, Ubuntu, etc.) do the same. I find this to be a rather useless requirement to have, unless the goal is to do nothing. If something is a good idea to do, Debian should do it independently of what the other distributions are doing, otherwise we will waste time trying to convince other distributions instead of spending time on improving Debian. Are you volunteering to convince the other big distributions to donate money to the same projects Debian want to donate money to? I am not. I do agree with you, Debian should act independently of what the other distributions are doing without forgetting that in some way we have to compete and doing it without loosing our essence . OTOH, those distributions that were named are commercial while we aren't. Our priority should be to invest money in our project, our DD's and our maintainers. Once we have covered our needs, then I think we can considerate donating money to others. I found great the idea of buying hardware for those teams that need them, as it was said, this shouldn't be a problem for us (given that we have the money for covering this need). Furthermore, the idea on investing in how users see us (investing in materials for stands at expos or more attractive artwork) to make Debian more attractive to them in some way is very nice, too. It'd be good to break the Idea that Debian is for people with lots of technical skills and an OS which is not easy to use. This should be expensive, but I think we may destinate at least some money for it at least once to see what happens. Regards, -- Muammar El Khatib. Linux user: 403107. GPG Key = 127029F1 http://muammar.me | http://proyectociencia.org ,''`. : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes
Hi *, On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 2:46 AM, Marc Habermh+debian-proj...@zugschlus.de wrote: Hi, On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 08:45:41AM +0200, Carsten Hey wrote: Why not freeze in June 2010 instead of December 2009 and then freeze again in December 2011*? Mark Shuttleworth seems (at least seemed) to be fine with delaying Ubuntu LTS by half a year to get Ubuntu and Debian in sync [1]: | The LTS will be either 10.04 or 10.10 - based on the conversation that | is going on right now between Debian and Ubuntu. I don't think that we shouldn't time our releases according to what Mark Shuttleworth says. We are not Ubuntu's slave even if they try hard to make it look like that. In fact, I would prefer if Ubuntu had to change _their_ scheduled to accomodate us, if they want to have the advantage of being in sync with us. It's _their_ advantage after all, not ours. Our 18-to-24-month release cycle was a nice vehicle to stay asynchronous with Ubuntu, which _I_ consider a desireable feature to prevent Debian from perishing. We are not only major supplier to Ubuntu, we have our end customers ourselves. I'd prefer that it stayed that way. I do agree with what you have written. I think if Debian has worked more than 13 years as it is right now, changing our way of working to satisfy what other says is not good, it's something that won't help us to improve anything. I wouldn't like to be bad understood because of what I have written. I am not blaming the release team nor saying that that was the fact which make them to take such a decision, but I can't see what the reasons were. I only read a message saying Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes. IMO, this time-based release will have a very important impact in how Debian is seen either by our users and the community since there not appear to have any consensus of the benefits of this decision for us. I am not sure if it'll be a bad or a good decision (because we haven't implemented it yet) , but given the way everyone is getting this, it will have a bad impact. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Frans Popelen...@planet.nl wrote: On Thursday 30 July 2009, Teemu Likonen wrote: Debian == - The completely voluntary nature of the project does not really lend itself to hard timelines. If it turns out on the planned date of the freeze that there are still major issues open, we need to be flexible enough to delay the freeze. This is the main reason why this announce is being that controversial. Debian is a voluntary-nature project, imposing this kind of time-lines, or even worse, forcing in some way to change the plans of DD's to carry out their changes to packages | goals for a release, it will cause this conflicts. We have had this kind of discussions before, and we always have been able to decide correctly. I hope this time we do it, too. Regards, -- Muammar El Khatib. Linux user: 403107. GPG Key = 127029F1 http://muammar.me | http://proyectociencia.org ,''`. : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes
On, 07/30/2009 10:50 AM, Marc Haber wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 05:10:29PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:34:05 -0430, Muammar El Khatib wrote: I think if Debian has worked more than 13 years as it is right now It has not. How do you call what we have done since then if not working? I mean, we have our troubles and we are not always as fast as we would like ourselves to be, but we have always shelled out useable and stable releases. What more do you want, blood? That's what I meant. I know we are not perfect, but we have survived to the pass of the time and I am sure that this is because of the decisions we have taken and that we do a good work. But it is really interesting to see the diversity of opinions. Regards, -- Muammar El Khatib. Linux user: 403107. Key fingerprint = 90B8 BFC4 4A75 B881 39A3 1440 30EB 403B 1270 29F1 http://muammar.me | http://proyectociencia.org ,''`. : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
