World-Wide Open Source Society
Not strictly on topic but Debian i one of the best ressources for dedicated open source people. In the Danish open source community we are somehow mystified about an organisation calling them self Danish Open Source Society (DOSS). On their website they claim the support of Bruce Perens and their by-laws mentions a World-Wide Open Source Society. I can't find any other informatuin of such society. Does anyone in Debian know WWOSS? -- Peter Makholm | First you fall in love with Antarctica, and then it [EMAIL PROTECTED] | breaks your heart http://hacking.dk | -- Antarctica -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: agenda for Debian leadership team (a.k.a. Project Scud) meeting on 2005-04-24
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hope I'm not alone when I say that this confidentiality and seemingly crass Besserwisser tone concerns me. Because I am not experienced with the politics of Debian, this is all I will say. It is not ideal as Branden says. But I prefer closed groups who does some work to Anonymous Cowards who just complains. I'm all for openness but my experience shows me that closely knit groups with clear responsabilities does work better than fully open mailling lists. -- Peter Makholm |'Cause suicide is painless [EMAIL PROTECTED] | It brings on many changes http://hacking.dk |And I can take or leave it if I please |-- Suicide is painless -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hejsan!
Christopher Kruhse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jag har en fråga till er eftersom jag ska skriva ett arbete om just debian. Om ni har tid och lust, skulle ni kunna berätta vad det unika med just debian är... Skulle vara väldigt tacksam om jag fick ett svar på det...!! debian-project is an english mailling list. If you need to ask questions in swedish you should use the list [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Peter Makholm |I congratulate you. Happy goldfish bowl to you, to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | me, to everyone, and may each of you fry in hell http://hacking.dk | forever | -- The Dead Past
Re: Debian Weekly News - April 27th, 2004
Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 10:24:03PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Editorial Amendments to the Social Contract passed. Manoj Srivastava [25]announced that the [26]general resolution covering editorial amendments to the [27]social contract has passed with a 4:1 majority (3:1 required). From 213 valid votes 174 were in favour of these changes while 39 people voted for further discussion. Sarge Release Status. Anthony Towns [28]reported that he can not justify the policy decisions to exempt documentation, firmware, or content any longer, as the social contract has been amended to cover all these areas and not only software. Hence, these blobs need to be removed from sarge before it can be released. This will make a release impossible for this year, though. Good to have such biased news reporting :P Where's the bias? -- Peter Makholm | First you fall in love with Antarctica, and then it [EMAIL PROTECTED] | breaks your heart http://hacking.dk | -- Antarctica
Re: Kill the DPL! (Elections are almost over)
Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Indeed. We should find the laziest S-O-B and *make* him become the DPL. but I don't want to be the DPL! -- Peter Makholm |According to the hacker ethic, the meaning of life [EMAIL PROTECTED] |is not Friday, but it is not Sunday either http://hacking.dk | -- Peeka Himanen
Re: How do I use dpkg without superuser privileges?
Debs Spammagnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been trying to de-deb a .deb file without root permission. I just want to unwrap the file like a tar file. I DO NOT WANT TO INSTALL IT. I just want to UNPACK it like i might a TAR file. Use dpkg-deb directly: $ cd somewhere $ dpkg-deb -x package.deb . -- Peter Makholm |We constantly have to keep in mind why natural [EMAIL PROTECTED] |languages are good at what they're good at. And to http://hacking.dk | never forget that Perl is a human language first, |and a computer language second
Re: Founding moment for Debian
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The installation procedure that doesn't need to be babysat and system setup procedure that will attempt to setup and configure everything from fstab to Xconfig, on the other hand... At least we got Be warned that it will be rather large :) right. -- Peter Makholm | Wisdom has two parts: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 1) having a lot to say, and http://hacking.dk | 2) not saying it
Re: Why are these packages in Debian?
Nikos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I typed king james bible in Google and hit I'm feeling lucky. I was browsing the text 1 second later... Not long ago slashdot had a story about how easy it was to redefine a term acording to google. Granted it would probally take a bit longer to redefine 'king james bible': http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/03/2327239mode=threadtid=95 Generally I agree that we sometimes are to eager to package static data-sets and texts. Being able to write 'apt-get remove text' instead of 'rm -Rf /usr/local/doc/text' isn't really a win in my opinion. But you argument is flawed. -- Peter Makholm |According to the hacker ethic, the meaning of life [EMAIL PROTECTED] |is not Friday, but it is not Sunday either http://hacking.dk | -- Peeka Himanen
Re: Bug of the month, or how to get people fixing bugs
Andres Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: fixing bugs, to simply closing them in the BTS. Sometimes, it's good to keep bugs open in the BTS (tagged w/ wontfix, documenting a problem that other people may bring up; or tagged w/ unreproducable, as another [...] Of course this shouldn't change the way we use the BTS. If people misuse the BTS and close bugs which isn't really fixed or really proved as non-bugs they shouldn't get credited for the close. We might even let it have a negative impact on their status. I think some kind of review of the bug-fixing would be needed. Some system to let the maintainers rate the help they got: - Good fix - I only had to patch and rebuild the package - Important help - The bug wouldn't have been closed without the help - Nice try - The bug didn't actually get fixed but he tried a lot - Destructive help - This person shouldn't ever touch my packages again -- Peter Makholm | Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your [EMAIL PROTECTED] |pants and slide on the ice http://hacking.dk |-- Sidney Freedman
Re: ibook
anton feldmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i`m a student from germany. I bought the new ibook and i want to install linux debian for it. can you give me a link to the right distribution of linux for my ibook. It's a powermac-NewWorld. Look at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc -- Peter Makholm | First you fall in love with Antarctica, and then it [EMAIL PROTECTED] | breaks you heart http://hacking.dk | -- Antarctica
Re: linux kernel
Theo Houtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like to complain about the debian distribution. You *can* complain all you want. Debian won't be release earlier because of that. Debian will be released when it's ready. The only thing that will help getting Debian released is by testing, finding bugs and fixing bugs. It's time to release debian with the 2.4.* kernel. Well, 2.4.15 should be a stable kernel and some of the most pressing issues with the vm should be solved. But lets give it a little time before we believes to much in it. Many software require the 2.4.* kernel. The only software I've seen that has to use 2.4-kernels is software especially made to support special new features of 2.4 like lvm, reiserfstools and devfsd. -- Når folk spørger mig, om jeg er nørd, bliver jeg altid ilde til mode og svarer lidt undskyldende: Nej, jeg bruger RedHat. -- Allan Olesen på dk.edb.system.unix
Re: Proposed General Resolution : IRC as a Debian communication channel
Peter Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Sorry I should have sent this here instead] Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - all #debian-* channels on OpenProjects should be open to everyone except #debian-private which is for registered debian developers only (the actual key protection may be replaced by a better identification mechanism at any time) Can we as an open projects really accept more closed forums? How many private places can we have and still say that the development of the debian distribution is an open project? debian-private is allready filled with discussion that shouldn't be kept private. -- Når folk spørger mig, om jeg er nørd, bliver jeg altid ilde til mode og svarer lidt undskyldende: Nej, jeg bruger RedHat. -- Allan Olesen på dk.edb.system.unix
Re: Proposed General Resolution : IRC as a Debian communication channel
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: #debian-private exists, we have to acknowledge that. Wether it should be used or not is not the discussion here. Which is my point. I don't think we should acknowledge any more closed forums. -- Når folk spørger mig, om jeg er nørd, bliver jeg altid ilde til mode og svarer lidt undskyldende: Nej, jeg bruger RedHat. -- Allan Olesen på dk.edb.system.unix
Re: debian.info
Carlos Laviola [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about all other debian.tld domains, like e.g debian.com.br (debian.org.br is in safe hands)? Can we really enforce the name Debian worldwide and win domain name disputes? (If so, great, but can we?) And do we want to waste money on it. Just having a lot of silly domains is a wate of resources in my opinion. We have debian.org because that the gTLD we're belonging to. Everything would be a lot cleaner if we removed all gTLDs at let people register any name they wanted on the root level (maybe keep two leters TLD's for national stuff) or decided that you should only be able to register you name in one gTLD. The present solution has only meaning for those who earns money on people registering their name in multiple gTLDs. -- Når folk spørger mig, om jeg er nørd, bliver jeg altid ilde til mode og svarer lidt undskyldende: Nej, jeg bruger RedHat. -- Allan Olesen på dk.edb.system.unix
Re: Woody Go Live
Nathan Goss [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it possible to get an approximate release date for the Stable Woody Distribution? No. It will be released when it's ready and we not far enough in the release cycle to guess the release date within a month or two. -- Når folk spørger mig, om jeg er nørd, bliver jeg altid ilde til mode og svarer lidt undskyldende: Nej, jeg bruger RedHat. -- Allan Olesen på dk.edb.system.unix
Re: Next version of Debian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd like to know when the next stable version of Debian will be ready ? We like to know that too. But I think it would be just before we're releasing it. Which will be the kernel of this version ? (the 2.4 ?) I think 2.4 will be an option but on most archs 2.2 will be the default. Which version of XFree will be used ? (the 4 ?) Xfree 4.0 will probally be the standard. It might have an version of 3.3.6 for cards unsupported in 4.0 probally depending on the state of Xfree 4.0. -- hash-bang-slash-bin-slash-bash
Re: Frågor ison
Roland Frans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: binary-i386-1.iso och -2, -3.iso och en som hette: binary-i386-1_NONUS.iso. Min fråga är: Vad är skillnaden och vilka måste man ta hem? You need at least one of the -1 iso's. As a european you should use the NONUS one and get cryptography tools. The packages is sorted so you only need disk 1. If you need more packages not on -1 you could download -2 or both -2 and -3 as an addition. There is a swedish debian users list. Try using that one for discussion in swedish. (debian-user-swedish@lists.debian.org) -- Peter
Re: Debian and GNU
Marco Mililotti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The point is: Is Debian e GNU distribution, or is GNU/Linux only a component of Debian? Isn't it possible to become - for Debian - a GNU project? Debian has in the past been sponsored by FSF. But better ask why Debian should be a GNU project? I't wouldn't get us anything, but that copyright for programs (scripts and the like) probally should be handed over to FSF. Which means a lot of beucracy with little gain. -- Peter
Re: Sponsorskap
Kim Dahlberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hej! Vi undrar om Ni skulle vilja sponsra vårat demoparty med eran linux dist. As a completly non-profit organisation Debian has no funding for sponsoring events or give out free merchandize and CD's. You could probally have some luck in asking local buisnisses using or selling Debian. You could ask on debian-user-swedish@lists.debian.org if they know any local company able of sponsoring you. -- Peter
Re: Discussing the DMUP
Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/nomic.htm I think we're playing the blind version where new players doesn't see the initial ruleset and nobody got the complete ruleset. -- Peter er ikke sur, han er sær -- og han er ikke DIKUs sureste koder, men måske nok DIKUs særeste ;) - citat Pink
Re: [leganii@surfree.com: Re: FWD: C-Kermit potato]
I've sent this to both debian-devel and debian-project. Please remove debian-devel from follow-ups. Frank da Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If non-free is good enough for you, then lets stop here. And when you have a (I assume) GPLed gkermit something can go into main. (Non-free isn't a part of debian and all that) Peter Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problem1: I can't see any rights to modify the code, just redistribute it. That's a fine point. You can modify the code all you want but since I have to support it now and forever, I need to get the changes. Debian isn't Debian isn't the only place distributing Linuxkernel but Does Linus have a problem controling Linux? (try asking the same with Gnome, nethack, X11...) Problem2: If I can't distribute a program with solaris i anin't free in Debians sense of freeness. You're free to define free however you want. So am I :-) It's a big, complicated world. If we pretend that you only want to do the best for open source, then I'm think you doing it the wrong way. Open source shouldn't be promoted because some people is evil and some is good. Open source is about better software for everybody. If I'm going to be mean for a second then I could get the thought that the only reason to allow Open Source systems to use this software that i to spread the software so solaris and windows users *have* to pay you. That is what I read out of the license, but you mails probally shows otherwise. -- There is a trap on this level!
Re: New-Maintainer
Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the control file is set up properly. The sponsored party is listed as the Maintainer for dpkg purposes; they just can't upload the package themselves. I didn't realize this. It's interesting that this is how it's being handled. I haven't looked carefully at the Maintainer listings in the Sponsoring is handlet just like porting. The sponser just port the package to source and whatever platform he is working on. -- They say that eggs, pancakes and juice are just a mundane breakfast.
Re: Debian FreeBSD
John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a very bad idea. Why? The BSD license. Yes, The BSD license. A very nice readable license (which I wouldn't call the GPL) and it's fair too (which GPL also is If I read it corectly) I see no problem with SPI supporting all kinds of free software and Debian FreeBSD won't become propitary it can't nobody can tell us (Debian) to stop developing it as a piece of free software. We had this discussion before (on -devel, not personally) and that is why the debian-bsd list was made. We now have a debian-projects list for Debian project related non-technical (i.e. political, organizational, etc.) discussions. so please keep the political there. -- I congratulate you. Happy goldfish bowl to you, to me, to everyone, and may each of you fry in hell forever. -- Isaac Asimov, The Dead Past
