Re: debian-private leaked on pastebin, worried

2019-08-06 Thread Zlatan Todorić



On August 5, 2019 4:55:31 PM GMT+02:00, Norbert Preining 
 wrote:
>Hi,
>
>> In one of these cases there was some >>overreaction and it has at least
>> partially (possibly even mostly) been dealt >>with.
>
>Very partially IMNSHO.
>
>Norbert
>
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You are really, really trying to be vocal about it lately and considering all, 
I would say it is yet again going to backfire on you (as it should in my 
opinion) and you will pretend again to be victim and act as you don't 
understand why.

I would say chill but your history shows just this passive aggressive behavior 
for years already and no sight of true remorse or accepting your acts and 
trying to improve.

Honestly, sadly I think it is mistake letting you back into Project and while I 
never liked your blog posts nor behavior I was of opinion that you should be 
let back but now you have firmly changed my position on that.

Z
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Re: metaphors and feminism

2019-03-29 Thread Zlatan Todorić



On March 30, 2019 3:58:59 AM GMT+01:00, Paul Wise  wrote:
>On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 6:19 PM Laura Arjona Reina wrote:
>
>> We call Debian Developer to the Debian contributors who have Debian
>finished the
>> New Member process: the process of becoming an official Debian
>Developer (DD) [1].
>
>Personally I think the phrase "Debian Developer" and the abbreviation
>DD is a relic of an earlier era when the set of tasks available to
>Debian contributors were more technical and less varied. I try to use
>"Debian member" in mails since it is clearer what that means to a
>larger set of people and I'd like to see Debian culture (and perhaps
>the official documents) move towards that too.

+1 to wise words of Mr.Wise. 
I really do think also that we should transfer to "Debian member" term as it 
better describes our project and the positive mixture it is becoming.

Z

P.S. I will not comment the bs from this other person

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Re: Apology and DAM decisions

2019-03-22 Thread Zlatan Todorić
Awesome positive news, lets keep the good energy up!

Z

(apology for top post, easier on phone)

On March 22, 2019 1:40:34 PM GMT+01:00, "Jonathan Wiltshire (DAM)" 
 wrote:
>(Copy to -private for those not reading -project; Reply-To/MFT set)
>
>Hi,
>
>As Debian Account Managers we welcome Norbert's frank and honest
>appraisal
>of his actions not only around his blog but also during the systemd and
>Code of Conduct discussions in the past. We're sure that this mail will
>not
>have been easy for him to write.
>
>Norbert has committed to upholding Debian's values of open,
>constructive
>and tolerant debate, to being more conscious of his communication
>style,
>and to being more open to feedback from other people.
>
>We have therefore agreed to reinstate Norbert's Developer status with
>immediate effect[1] and to amend his removal to a warning only. The
>warning
>is effective for six months from 7th January 2019 and Norbert
>understands
>that any breach of the Code of Conduct during that period may result in
>his
>immediate removal.
>
>For the avoidance of doubt, it is our intention that Norbert should be
>able
>to vote in this year's DPL election.
>
>1: practically speaking, at the next keyring update. It is expected
>before the
>   end of March 2019
>
>For the Debian Account Managers,
>Enrico, Joerg and Jonathan
>
>-- 
>Jonathan Wiltshire  j...@debian.org
>Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw
>
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Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-10 Thread Zlatan Todorić
(sorry for top posting)
So, funny, maybe we will live to our long history of community fostering (which 
is the thing I most enjoy from Debian, besides that we produce kickass OS) and 
be leaderless as we in all nature of project actually are.

Doesn't sound too bad to me,

Z 

;)

On March 10, 2019 2:45:18 PM GMT+01:00, Kurt Roeckx  wrote:
>On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 01:48:23PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>> On 15337 March 1977, Sam Hartman wrote:
>> 
>> > In fairness, I'd recommend that the nominations period be extended
>for
>> > some explicit time.  I think that we want to have a known window
>for new
>> > nominations rather than say starting the campaigning as soon as
>someone
>> > nominates themselves.
>> 
>> §5.2.4 to the rescue. (Something I also missed earlier).
>> 
>> --8<---cut here---start->8---
>> For three weeks after that no more candidates may be nominated;
>> candidates should use this time for campaigning and discussion. If
>there
>> are no candidates at the end of the nomination period then the
>> nomination period is extended for an additional week, repeatedly if
>> necessary.
>> --8<---cut here---end--->8---
>> 
>> So basically we are now having one more nomination period week.
>
>It also means that the current DPL's term will expire before we
>have a new DPL. I think this will apply in that case:
>
>6. Technical committee
>
>  6.1. Powers
>[...]
>  8. The Chair can stand in for the Leader, together with the Secretary
>   As detailed in §7.1(2), the Chair of the Technical Committee and
>the Project Secretary may together stand in for the Leader if there
>   is no Leader.
>[...]
>
>7. The Project Secretary
>
>  7.1. Powers
>
>   The Secretary:
>[...]
>2. Can stand in for the Leader, together with the Chair of the
>   Technical Committee.
>   If there is no Project Leader then the Chair of the Technical
>   Committee and the Project Secretary may by joint agreement make
>   decisions if they consider it imperative to do so.
>
>
>Kurt

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