Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-discuss-discuss-discuss-and-keep-discussing] ...
On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 08:38:42AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: If other people find that it *had almost nothing to do* with DebConf, please tell us. As currently planned, Debconf 13 has nothing to do with a conference you would ask sponsorship to a fortune 500 company for. You mean those companies that from time to time send their managers and teams to spend time in the woods, sleeping in tents, because it's so good for team building? :-) /joke Jokes aside, over the past years I've spoken with representatives of those companies, discussing their interests in supporting financially Debian --- by sponsoring DebConf or by donating to Debian over the year. My personal bottom line is that the kind of gain they look for when sponsoring us is different than the usual advertisement to get new customers gain that you often find at technology conferences. Several of those companies asked me, at the time of evaluating whether to sponsor Debian or not, questions like how can we turn our money into code?. Companies that ask those usually rely on the well being of Debian and want to make sure their money help volunteers having fun improving our OS. It's some sort of strategic investment. Or, for the more cynical, they simply have an already approved budget for FOSS sponsoring and they need to distribute it among well reputed FOSS projects. Granted, the choice of DebConf venue (and way more so the choice of country) will have an impact on companies that do hope to get new customers by sponsoring a conference. We might lose some of them. But at the end of the day, what we should care about money-wise is whether the conference budget is sustainable or not. If it is, I wouldn't care much about whether it has been assembled by a handful of fortune 500 companies, a long tail of small-ish companies, or funding by public administrations. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Debian Project Leader . . . . . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club » signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-discuss-discuss-discuss-and-keep-discussing] ...
On 12/04/2012 10:36 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mardi 04 décembre 2012 à 13:38 -0600, Gunnar Wolf a écrit : People, (most of) the Swiss team is pissed with the lack of trust and lack of respect we have been showing for months already, and that now some very vocal outsiders (i.e. Debian people who are not involved in this year's DebConf organization) are showing. Is the “outsiders” word also meaning to describe people who were asked for sponsorship and discovered later that the brochure they were sent had almost nothing to do with what’s actually going on? For a lot of people, your writing seems out of context. The sponsorship brochure is linked in: http://debconf13.debconf.org/helpus.xhtml If other people find that it *had almost nothing to do* with DebConf, please tell us. BTW: someone noticed me that I did a single-list-reply on my answer to your previous mail. Here my reply: http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20121204.130912.539d5f32.en.html. Personally I see many of your *attacks* are not founded. Possibly DebConf13 is not a DebConf for you (anyway we have a fantastic Video Team), but we need such kind of DebConf every few years, which fits better other DDs. It seems that you are entering in the Linus mode. If people doesn't like next DebConf, it suffices to tell the world that you don't like it (and the reasons), not to construct artificial critics. And at the end the DebConf is done by DDs, so generic critics to DebConf will cause less bids for next DebConfs so less choice. We win the bid for only *one vote* (IIRC) and a lot of discussion, again *only one* other candidate. I fear that the discussion of last days could force to give up teams for next DebConf (which is IMO again /classic/ DebConf). What was the last non-govern-sponsored DebConf without financial troubles? DC7? So people: don't make a difficult job impossible *Help us: sponsoring DebConf13 and biding for DebConf in 2014 and 2015* ciao cate PS: Josselin: at the beginning of the mail I referred to you, but then it was more generic. Don't take it too personal. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50bef756.20...@debian.org
Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-discuss-discuss-discuss-and-keep-discussing] ...
Le mercredi 05 décembre 2012 à 08:27 +0100, Giacomo A. Catenazzi a écrit : For a lot of people, your writing seems out of context. The sponsorship brochure is linked in: http://debconf13.debconf.org/helpus.xhtml If other people find that it *had almost nothing to do* with DebConf, please tell us. As currently planned, Debconf 13 has nothing to do with a conference you would ask sponsorship to a fortune 500 company for. BTW: someone noticed me that I did a single-list-reply on my answer to your previous mail. Here my reply: http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20121204.130912.539d5f32.en.html. I’m aware of this reply, and I’m glad you mention it. I invite everyone at large to read it, it is very insightful – although probably not in the way you meant it to be. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1354693122.7074.6.camel@tomoyo
