Re: [OT] Re: A freak (but not so freak) idea: User space apt-get install
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 10:48:32PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Neither of those two documents say that we will keep all postings on the archives, or that we will remove them, they just say that we will if we want to. [...] seem to address your doubts... No, they don't really. In case of someone posting a message and with a note that they don't want it distributed, that's just stupid of them, but in the case of a virus posting something that was never intended to be posted, that's something that we might need to have to clean up, under the bona fide rules. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: [OT] Re: A freak (but not so freak) idea: User space apt-get install
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 10:48:32PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: I would still apply the second paragraph I just re-quoted - We are not under obligation to remove it. Now, if someone posted a list of valid WinXP license numbers to our lists, the listmasters would probably delete it. And if someone defamates you, publishes your personal information or something similar, you can _ask_ the listmasters to remove that from the archive. Of course, they will apply their personal criteria in order to do so, and they will not be able to remove it from external archiving sites. You do know that the person you're replying to is a listmaster, right? (Just checking, as it doesn't seem that way from your tone.) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: A freak (but not so freak) idea: User space apt-get install
On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 05:10:33PM +, Colin Watson wrote: Of course, they will apply their personal criteria in order to do so, and they will not be able to remove it from external archiving sites. You do know that the person you're replying to is a listmaster, right? (Just checking, as it doesn't seem that way from your tone.) Damn, you just spoiled us the fun of watching probably half a dozen more messages of going around in circles :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: [OT] Re: A freak (but not so freak) idea: User space apt-get install
Pascal Hakim dijo [Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 02:39:39PM +1100]: This email is licensed to the recipient for non-commercial use, duplication and distribution. --- This email is non-DFSG. We need to remove it from the list archives. That's brings up a good point. While Adam is probably joking here, there are a lot of people who want things in the archives either deleted or modified. Yes there are other archives, but they are not our responsability, while stuff on lists.debian.org is. How do we deal with stuff that's been forwarded to a list by a virus? How do we deal with a message that was sent by error? How do we deal with a message that was forwarded by a third party without authorization from the author? How do we deal with mistakes? We don't seem to have a clear policy on this at the moment. What should we do? http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ Disclaimer / Privacy policy / Legal information The mailing lists are public forums. All emails sent to the lists are distributed both to the list subscribers and copied to the public archive, for people to browse or search without the need to be subscribed. Furthermore, you can browse our mailing lists as Usenet newsgroups. It can be done using a web interface, like Google or Gmane. There may be other places where lists are distributed -- please make sure you never send any confidential or unlicensed material to the lists. This includes things like e-mail addresses. Of particular note is the fact that spammers, viruses, worms etc have been known to abuse e-mail addresses posted to our mailing lists. Debian maintains the mailing lists in good faith and will take steps to curb all noticed abuse and maintain uninterrupted normal service. At the same time, Debian is not responsible for all mailing list posts or anything that may happen in relation to them. Please see our disclaimer of responsibility for more information. http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/disclaimer Our mailing lists are public forums, and our mailing list archives are public. By sending an email to such a public forum, you agree to public distribution of your article. All mails sent to any of our mailing lists (and to the bug tracking system) will be publically distributed and archived in our mailing list archives. Any emails sent by any one person directly to the list, or replies by others to those emails sent to the list, are considered published, in accordance with the United States law. Obviously the author still owns the copyright to the content of these emails that they have written. However, that does not mean that the Debian Project is under obligation to remove them from a list archive once published. Several legal counsels have reviewed this stance and confirmed it is correct. ...You will probably find more documents if you really want to ;-) -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5630-9700 ext. 1366 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF
Re: [OT] Re: A freak (but not so freak) idea: User space apt-get install
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 10:26:51PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Pascal Hakim dijo [Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 02:39:39PM +1100]: This email is licensed to the recipient for non-commercial use, duplication and distribution. --- This email is non-DFSG. We need to remove it from the list archives. That's brings up a good point. While Adam is probably joking here, there are a lot of people who want things in the archives either deleted or modified. Yes there are other archives, but they are not our responsability, while stuff on lists.debian.org is. How do we deal with stuff that's been forwarded to a list by a virus? How do we deal with a message that was sent by error? How do we deal with a message that was forwarded by a third party without authorization from the author? How do we deal with mistakes? We don't seem to have a clear policy on this at the moment. What should we do? http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ Disclaimer / Privacy policy / Legal information The mailing lists are public forums. All emails sent to the lists are distributed both to the list subscribers and copied to the public archive, for people to browse or search without the need to be subscribed. Furthermore, you can browse our mailing lists as Usenet newsgroups. It can be done using a web interface, like Google or Gmane. There may be other places where lists are distributed -- please make sure you never send any confidential or unlicensed material to the lists. This includes things like e-mail addresses. Of particular note is the fact that spammers, viruses, worms etc have been known to abuse e-mail addresses posted to our mailing lists. Debian maintains the mailing lists in good faith and will take steps to curb all noticed abuse and maintain uninterrupted normal service. At the same time, Debian is not responsible for all mailing list posts or anything that may happen in relation to them. Please see our disclaimer of responsibility for more information. http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/disclaimer Our mailing lists are public forums, and our mailing list archives are public. By sending an email to such a public forum, you agree to public distribution of your article. All mails sent to any of our mailing lists (and to the bug tracking system) will be publically distributed and archived in our mailing list archives. Any emails sent by any one person directly to the list, or replies by others to those emails sent to the list, are considered published, in accordance with the United States law. Obviously the author still owns the copyright to the content of these emails that they have written. However, that does not mean that the Debian Project is under obligation to remove them from a list archive once published. Several legal counsels have reviewed this stance and confirmed it is correct. ...You will probably find more documents if you really want to ;-) Neither of those two documents say that we will keep all postings on the archives, or that we will remove them, they just say that we will if we want to. And in the case of a third party forwarding a message without permission, this bit doesn't even apply: By sending an email to such a public forum, you agree to public distribution of your article. All mails sent to any of our mailing lists (and to the bug tracking system) will be publically distributed and archived in our mailing list archives. And what happens if I find your home address, and telephone number or other address you don't want published, and I stick it on a debian list? Should it stay there? Pasc -- Pascal Hakim+61 4 0341 1672
Re: [OT] Re: A freak (but not so freak) idea: User space apt-get install
Neither of those two documents say that we will keep all postings on the archives, or that we will remove them, they just say that we will if we want to. Ummm... All emails sent to the lists are distributed both to the list subscribers and copied to the public archive, for people to browse or search without the need to be subscribed. and Obviously the author still owns the copyright to the content of these emails that they have written. However, that does not mean that the Debian Project is under obligation to remove them from a list archive once published. Several legal counsels have reviewed this stance and confirmed it is correct. seem to address your doubts... And in the case of a third party forwarding a message without permission, this bit doesn't even apply: By sending an email to such a public forum, you agree to public distribution of your article. All mails sent to any of our mailing lists (and to the bug tracking system) will be publically distributed and archived in our mailing list archives. And what happens if I find your home address, and telephone number or other address you don't want published, and I stick it on a debian list? Should it stay there? I would still apply the second paragraph I just re-quoted - We are not under obligation to remove it. Now, if someone posted a list of valid WinXP license numbers to our lists, the listmasters would probably delete it. And if someone defamates you, publishes your personal information or something similar, you can _ask_ the listmasters to remove that from the archive. Of course, they will apply their personal criteria in order to do so, and they will not be able to remove it from external archiving sites. I don't think we need to document things that happen on a per-case basis. Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5630-9700 ext. 1366 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF
