Re: A Debian contributor StackOverflow
On Vi, 05 apr 13, 09:22:34, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Right. Let me add as a shameless plug that the service is in dire need of volunteer admins that help with the setup (shapado configuration, themes, etc.) and also keep a link with upstream development to discuss our needs, cherry pick patches, etc. An e-mail interface would be awesome! Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: A Debian contributor StackOverflow
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 11:18:27AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: The Shapado software seems a little bit clunky (the formatting is weird in Iceweasel, it won't let me save a photo in the profile, and every edit to the profile apparently requires changing my password, which is weird). But the basic functionality seems to be there. Right. Let me add as a shameless plug that the service is in dire need of volunteer admins that help with the setup (shapado configuration, themes, etc.) and also keep a link with upstream development to discuss our needs, cherry pick patches, etc. Once that basic level of service is assured again, the service could also use some publicity/buzz, to actually encourage the formation of a more active support community there --- for the people who are fond of the StackOverflow-like approach. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Debian Project Leader . . . . . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club » signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: A Debian contributor StackOverflow
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 11:04:12AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: I wonder if just using the same forum is a good idea, or if it would be better to create a separate contributor-focused platform. One thing I find attractive about using the platform for both is to perhaps help encourage/promote the idea that users are, or become, contributors, with few barriers in the process… a non-contributing user will have some exposure to contributor-related questions and it might just pique their interest… I really should look at ask.debian.net more. It's less depressing than -user can be ☹ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130405114207.GF16309@debian
A Debian contributor StackOverflow
This falls into the category of ideas I don't have time to implement but which I keep thinking about. So I'll throw it out to everyone else in case someone feels inspired. I've spent some time over the past couple of weeks poking at StackOverflow (yes, behind the curve of the entire rest of the world) and have found myself wishing for a version of StackOverflow that would welcome the sorts of questions that show up in debian-mentors and debian-devel and in our various IRC channels. I think it would provide some benefits: * An archived source of answers that can be searched and will be searched when creating new questions. * Some sort of community feedback process for answers so that people who don't know how to judge will know which answers are probably best. * Gamification makes answering questions more fun, and therefore likely increases the speed of answers and the chances that a question will be answered. There are, of course, tons of Debian questions already in StackOverflow (and ServerFault, and Unix and Linux StackExchange), but they're mostly end-user questions rather than packaging and contributor questions, and they're drowned out by lots of other stuff. (The debian tag tends to get attached to anything anyone does on Debian even if it's not particularly Debian-specific.) Plus, obviously they're proprietary, closed platforms run by someone else, with possible data mining and privacy implications, etc. A colleague of mine did an internal evaluation of possible locally-hosted StackOverflow-style applications and found one that looks pretty good: http://www.question2answer.org/ It's licensed under the GPL v2+ and is something that we could install and host. It's not currently packaged for Debian; we did a quick and dirty packaging for internal purposes (including the REMOTE_USER authentication plugin), but I haven't taken a close look at what we did. I don't think we did anything special. I think this would be a great project if someone felt like working on it. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r4iq19t6@windlord.stanford.edu
Re: A Debian contributor StackOverflow
Hi,
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
This falls into the category of ideas I don't have time to implement but
which I keep thinking about. So I'll throw it out to everyone else in
case someone feels inspired.
I've spent some time over the past couple of weeks poking at StackOverflow
(yes, behind the curve of the entire rest of the world) and have found
myself wishing for a version of StackOverflow that would welcome the sorts
of questions that show up in debian-mentors and debian-devel and in our
various IRC channels. I think it would provide some benefits:
[snip]
Don't we already have a very similar platform, in the form of
ask.debian.net? Granted, the questions there are more user-oriented,
but we could encourage its use as an addition/alternative to
debian-{devel,mentors}.
Regards,
Vincent
--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive:
http://lists.debian.org/CACZd_tDt0t3EP=67jmyxvh9w9-cmttnh1m494bqonry6o89...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A Debian contributor StackOverflow
Le 2013-04-04 19:32, Russ Allbery a écrit : A colleague of mine did an internal evaluation of possible locally-hosted StackOverflow-style applications and found one that looks pretty good: http://www.question2answer.org/ It's licensed under the GPL v2+ and is something that we could install and host. It's not currently packaged for Debian; we did a quick and dirty packaging for internal purposes (including the REMOTE_USER authentication plugin), but I haven't taken a close look at what we did. I don't think we did anything special. There is also http://ask.debian.net, which is a Shapado instance and (iirc) generously hosted by Shapado.com. Regards, -- Mehdi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/64e5f569a828ea66d8171f964bd26...@dogguy.org
Re: A Debian contributor StackOverflow
Vincent Cheng vincentc1...@gmail.com writes:
Don't we already have a very similar platform, in the form of
ask.debian.net? Granted, the questions there are more user-oriented, but
we could encourage its use as an addition/alternative to
debian-{devel,mentors}.
Indeed we do and I just wasn't aware of it. Thank you! It does appear to
be mostly user questiosn, so it wasn't exactly what I had in mind, but
that means the platform already exists.
I wonder if just using the same forum is a good idea, or if it would be
better to create a separate contributor-focused platform. StackExchange
tends to split things fairly heavily (in some cases too heavily; I have no
idea what the intended difference between ServerFault and Unix and Linux
are, except that there are no Windows questions in the latter).
--
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/
--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87txnmyxyb@windlord.stanford.edu
Re: A Debian contributor StackOverflow
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 10:32:05AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: A colleague of mine did an internal evaluation of possible locally-hosted StackOverflow-style applications and found one that looks pretty good: We have had http://ask.debian.net/ for a couple of years now, but I haven't looked at it in a long time. Would it do the kind of you are suggesting, Russ? I have no opinion on the software choice on what that site is currently using versus question2answer. -- http://www.cafepress.com/trunktees -- geeky funny T-shirts http://gtdfh.branchable.com/ -- GTD for hackers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130404175641.gn4...@havelock.liw.fi
Re: A Debian contributor StackOverflow
Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi writes: I have no opinion on the software choice on what that site is currently using versus question2answer. The Shapado software seems a little bit clunky (the formatting is weird in Iceweasel, it won't let me save a photo in the profile, and every edit to the profile apparently requires changing my password, which is weird). But the basic functionality seems to be there. Right now, it's mostly getting the same question mix as is already on Unix and Linux StackExchange, but that's not a problem with the software, obviously. I'd prefer Markdown instead of a GUI editor, but that's just personal preference. (I think question2answer does something more like what StackOverflow does: Markdown plus a real-time preview.) -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87mwteyxak@windlord.stanford.edu
