Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things
On Sat, 03 Nov 2007, Josip Rodin wrote: On Sat, Nov 03, 2007 at 05:32:34PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: On Saturday 03 November 2007, Frans Pop wrote: (Phil already was DSA, even if not yet in the adm group) Eh, please scratch that bit between brackets. It's nonsense. I don't think it is nonsense - Phil was part of DSA for a long time, but I seem to recall he didn't have access to everything at some point (I can't put my finger on it, I forget), and he didn't make some decisions, for example recently he facilitated some mirroradm permissions on sites where James had already allowed basic access, but at the same time he didn't introduce the mirroradm group to another host where we had no existing permission. Phil has been a full DSA members for years. It's a fact that he usually does only small stuff, but it's a choice of him not a limitation of his rights. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog Premier livre français sur Debian GNU/Linux : http://www.ouaza.com/livre/admin-debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things
On Saturday 03 November 2007, Sam Hocevar wrote: \o/ DSA++ \o/ - I am very, very pleased to let you know that this morning Phil Hands (fil) added Peter Palfrader (weasel) to the adm group. Which means that the DSA team now has a new member! The first since, wow, quite some time. This is of course very, very nice and my congratulations to Peter. However, you must excuse me for not sharing your enthusiasm, at least not to the extend you seem to be feeling it. I am grateful to everyone who made this possible, for bearing with my insistance, for making concessions, for being patient, and I hope this is only the first step to bigger and better teams in Debian. Of course the path is still long but I must admit this is truly refreshing. I wish great success to Peter for the thankless job that awaits him. Could you please explain in what way the addition of a single person to the existing team (Phil already was DSA, even if not yet in the adm group) is going to resolve all the huge and structural communication problems between team members that we have heard about? Are there any other changes that have been agreed to by existing members to address those issues, or will we now just have a larger team with structural communication problems? Your announcement is nice, and I'm sure it took a lot of hard work to get this far, but I have serious doubts that it is enough. Some elaboration on the way forward, including a word on that other team that is always the subject of controversy and complaints, would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Frans Pop signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things
Frans Pop wrote: On Saturday 03 November 2007, Sam Hocevar wrote: \o/ DSA++ \o/ Your announcement is nice, and I'm sure it took a lot of hard work to get this far, but I have serious doubts that it is enough. Some elaboration on the way forward, including a word on that other team that is always the subject of controversy and complaints, would be very much appreciated. Rome was not built on one day... everyone knows this is not the end, but it's at least a start to get things rolling again... Cheers Luk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things
On Saturday 03 November 2007, Frans Pop wrote: Could you please explain in what way the addition of a single person to the existing team (Phil already was DSA, even if not yet in the adm group) is going to resolve all the huge and structural communication problems between team members that we have heard about? Eh, please scratch that bit between brackets. It's nonsense. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things
On Sat, Nov 03, 2007, Frans Pop wrote: Could you please explain in what way the addition of a single person to the existing team (Phil already was DSA, even if not yet in the adm group) is going to resolve all the huge and structural communication problems between team members that we have heard about? I do not like the way you are asking this question. I have no intention to explain something that neither I or anyone else I know has ever stated or implied. Are there any other changes that have been agreed to by existing members to address those issues, or will we now just have a larger team with structural communication problems? This event has not cancelled anything else that was being discussed or acted upon. I will let everyone know when other things happen. I'm really sorry but this is the way I work. If you or other people feel it is not appropriate, I shall of course listen. But innuendo and worst case insinuations give me serious hearing problems. Cheers, -- Sam. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things
On Sat, Nov 03, 2007 at 05:32:34PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: On Saturday 03 November 2007, Frans Pop wrote: (Phil already was DSA, even if not yet in the adm group) Eh, please scratch that bit between brackets. It's nonsense. I don't think it is nonsense - Phil was part of DSA for a long time, but I seem to recall he didn't have access to everything at some point (I can't put my finger on it, I forget), and he didn't make some decisions, for example recently he facilitated some mirroradm permissions on sites where James had already allowed basic access, but at the same time he didn't introduce the mirroradm group to another host where we had no existing permission. In any event, if this means that he's got free hands[1] to do everything, that's a good thing. -- Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] *chuckle* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things
On Sat, Nov 03, 2007 at 05:39:05PM +0100, Sam Hocevar wrote: Are there any other changes that have been agreed to by existing members to address those issues, or will we now just have a larger team with structural communication problems? This event has not cancelled anything else that was being discussed or acted upon. I will let everyone know when other things happen. I think that it would be good if you shared your opinion on the recent proposal I've been discussing on -project, regarding infrastructure teams composition. That would help dispel this aura of secrecy in your statements :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things
Hi, Le samedi 03 novembre 2007 à 17:20 +0100, Frans Pop a écrit : This is of course very, very nice and my congratulations to Peter. However, you must excuse me for not sharing your enthusiasm, at least not to the extend you seem to be feeling it. Please let people place their enthusiasm in whatever they feel. Not everyone can share the current enthusiasm on d-private. -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to `-our own. Resistance is futile. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
