Re: DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009, Joerg Jaspert wrote: If someone can't set up a poll, I'll send another message asking for DDs to privately mail me (or maybe me-too to -vote) if they find the debates useful. http://doodle.com/nmpesn9t5fwv6ewe Having this run for 7 days now, we had 72 participants. The question asked was Are the Debian DPL IRC Debates useful and should we keep them? and people could chose Yes, No, I don't care, never looked at one. and we have Yes 34 No 32 Don't care 12 Based on these results, my own personal thoughts, and some brief discussion with the candidates, I'm leaning heavily towards not expending the effort on a debate this time around. I think much more could be gained from good discussions about the platforms here in -vote, and followups with the candidates on IRC (Sledge [Steve] and zack [Stefano] are highly active on IRC) than the debate itself. Also, since Stefano and Steve are in similar timezones, odds are good that you all can get them to engage each other on #debian-devel on an ad-hoc basis about the specific questions that bother you specifically, without having to wait for the rigamarole of an IRC debate. Don Armstrong -- People selling drug paraphernalia ... are as much a part of drug trafficking as silencers are a part of criminal homicide. -- John Brown, DEA Chief http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]
If someone can't set up a poll, I'll send another message asking for DDs to privately mail me (or maybe me-too to -vote) if they find the debates useful. http://doodle.com/nmpesn9t5fwv6ewe Having this run for 7 days now, we had 72 participants. The question asked was Are the Debian DPL IRC Debates useful and should we keep them? and people could chose Yes, No, I don't care, never looked at one. and we have Yes 34 No 32 Don't care 12 From that one can chose Yes as a final winning option, but it is a very tiny margin. And some people did select Yes and No together. -- bye, Joerg But i don't think that we talk a lot, as far as i can see, you live in the USA. Australia. Only minor details like timezone and hemisphere but pretty much the same. TZ is UTC+10 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]
Perhaps someone could set up a poll for DDs to indicate whether they find the debates useful or not? [I think Jeroen was doing this last?] If someone can't set up a poll, I'll send another message asking for DDs to privately mail me (or maybe me-too to -vote) if they find the debates useful. http://doodle.com/nmpesn9t5fwv6ewe -- bye, Joerg * maxx hat weasel seine erste packung suse gebracht, der hat mich dafür später zu debian gebracht weasel .oO( und jetzt ist der DD. jeder macht mal fehler.. ) maxx du hast 2 gemacht du warst auch noch advocate :P -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 09:50:24PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 02:10:38AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sat, 21 Feb 2009, Debian Project Secretary wrote: | Period | Start| End| |+--+| | Nomination | Sunday, March 1st, 2009 | Saterday, March 7th, 2009 | | Campaign | Sunday, March 8th, 2009 | Saterday, March 28th, 2009 | | Vote | Sunday, March 29th, 2009 | Saterday, April 11th, 2009 | I suggest that potential DPL candidates start getting their platform ready. I would like to receive them before the campaign period start. As I've apparently volunteered to moderate the debate again,[0] it falls to me to remind prospective candidates to calculate their schedule for the week of the 21st-28th, and soon after they self nominate forward the times during that week which they can absolutely not debate as well as times that they'd rather not debate to me. [This will help me to avoid having to schedule the debate smack in the middle of some erstwhile candidate's coffin time.[0.577]] Those who have suggestions for alterations to the format can also make those known in a reply to this message (refer to last year's debate format[1] if you've forgotten what we did last year, suffer from amnesia or are incapable of forming long term memories or faking them by the creative use of google and blogs). People who'd like to help run the debate and/or collect questions can also volunteer with a message to -vote. I'd like to raise the question of whether these IRC debates are really something we should have. I know Don and the panelists put a lot of time and effort into making the debates happen, which is part of why I ask the question: is it really worth all this effort? What do we get out of a three-hour real-time IRC debate that we don't already get from the candidates' platforms and three weeks of discussion on debian-vote? All I see that we get is a measure of how comfortable the candidate is with (English-language) IRC as a medium, which is just not that interesting to me as a factor in deciding who I'm going to vote for as DPL. Is it to other people, or are others getting something else out of this that I'm overlooking? For the last two election cycles, I've ignored the IRC debate completely, and I don't feel that I missed anything. Am I mistaken? People gather their impressions and opinions about the candidates from a variety of settings, contexts, dialogs, meetings, etc. There are various inputs that folks use: does the person share my views on (the DFSG, the GPL, etc.), are they likeable, do they solve group conflicts well, are they from my country, have I worked with them on a project, did I meet them at a conference, and a lot of other things. Maybe folks decide who they would like before the voting starts which would avoid the need for anything like an IRC chat or a ML discussion. Would it useful to get a sense of how DD's determine who they vote for? A simple multiple choice questionaire with a few open ended options? or maybe ask if the IRC chat affect their choice in any election? -K -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | |join the new debian-community.org to help Debian! | |___ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed ___| -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 01:57:24PM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: Maybe folks decide who they would like before the voting starts which would avoid the need for anything like an IRC chat or a ML discussion. Would it useful to get a sense of how DD's determine who they vote for? A simple multiple choice questionaire with a few open ended options? If that is the case, then how about simply voting 1 month earlier :-P - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmq3v4ACgkQn7DbMsAkQLhu2ACfea2s6/7cwsATC151bHccFfWU DYAAnRQpP3Etjxxm6Xgiaptc2rbE23YP =AFxg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]
On Sat, 21 Feb 2009, Debian Project Secretary wrote: | Period | Start| End| |+--+| | Nomination | Sunday, March 1st, 2009 | Saterday, March 7th, 2009 | | Campaign | Sunday, March 8th, 2009 | Saterday, March 28th, 2009 | | Vote | Sunday, March 29th, 2009 | Saterday, April 11th, 2009 | I suggest that potential DPL candidates start getting their platform ready. I would like to receive them before the campaign period start. As I've apparently volunteered to moderate the debate again,[0] it falls to me to remind prospective candidates to calculate their schedule for the week of the 21st-28th, and soon after they self nominate forward the times during that week which they can absolutely not debate as well as times that they'd rather not debate to me. [This will help me to avoid having to schedule the debate smack in the middle of some erstwhile candidate's coffin time.[0.577]] Those who have suggestions for alterations to the format can also make those known in a reply to this message (refer to last year's debate format[1] if you've forgotten what we did last year, suffer from amnesia or are incapable of forming long term memories or faking them by the creative use of google and blogs). People who'd like to help run the debate and/or collect questions can also volunteer with a message to -vote. Don Armstrong 0: I know I should heed my major professor's most important lesson learned from his military service: never be first, never be last, never volunteer... but I always seem to fall asleep before the conclusion is reached. 0.577: Deity forbid that the day star attack you.[1.618] 1: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/projects/debian/dpl_debates/debate_rules_public.txt 1.618: Yes, for some reason I've adopted irrational footnote numbering. Don't ask why.[2.718] 2.718: Ok... it has something to do with NIH R01 grant deadlines and collaborators who are incapable of using LaTeX+BibTeX, and want to make me (more) insane instead. [3.14] 3.14: Imagine a pithy footnote here. I've given up and gone to the pub. -- Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron. -- Dwight Eisenhower, April 16, 1953 http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 02:10:38AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sat, 21 Feb 2009, Debian Project Secretary wrote: | Period | Start| End| |+--+| | Nomination | Sunday, March 1st, 2009 | Saterday, March 7th, 2009 | | Campaign | Sunday, March 8th, 2009 | Saterday, March 28th, 2009 | | Vote | Sunday, March 29th, 2009 | Saterday, April 11th, 2009 | I suggest that potential DPL candidates start getting their platform ready. I would like to receive them before the campaign period start. As I've apparently volunteered to moderate the debate again,[0] it falls to me to remind prospective candidates to calculate their schedule for the week of the 21st-28th, and soon after they self nominate forward the times during that week which they can absolutely not debate as well as times that they'd rather not debate to me. [This will help me to avoid having to schedule the debate smack in the middle of some erstwhile candidate's coffin time.[0.577]] Those who have suggestions for alterations to the format can also make those known in a reply to this message (refer to last year's debate format[1] if you've forgotten what we did last year, suffer from amnesia or are incapable of forming long term memories or faking them by the creative use of google and blogs). People who'd like to help run the debate and/or collect questions can also volunteer with a message to -vote. I'd like to raise the question of whether these IRC debates are really something we should have. I know Don and the panelists put a lot of time and effort into making the debates happen, which is part of why I ask the question: is it really worth all this effort? What do we get out of a three-hour real-time IRC debate that we don't already get from the candidates' platforms and three weeks of discussion on debian-vote? All I see that we get is a measure of how comfortable the candidate is with (English-language) IRC as a medium, which is just not that interesting to me as a factor in deciding who I'm going to vote for as DPL. Is it to other people, or are others getting something else out of this that I'm overlooking? For the last two election cycles, I've ignored the IRC debate completely, and I don't feel that I missed anything. Am I mistaken? -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
