Re: Debian firefox

2006-10-05 Thread Florian Weimer
* Bastian Venthur:

 Maybe, but that was not my point. I somehow have the impression that
 some people think firefox is non-free (or sort of) just because Debian
 has to rebrand it.

I think you mean unbrand.  Including our own logo with similar
restrictions would be somewhat embarrassing.


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Re: Debian firefox

2006-10-04 Thread Shot (Piotr Szotkowski)
Roberto C. Sanchez:

 There was some discussion about potential Firefox replacement
 names a few days ago on IRC. I suggested WaterBuffalo and Manoj
 and a couple of other people really liked it.

There also was an informal pool at
http://ze-dinosaur.livejournal.com/12539.html
with Iceweasel as the winner. I personally prefer
Firesocks, with Freefox as the close second.

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Debian firefox

2006-10-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I do hope that debian can overcome the recent of firefox. It is nice for them
to show their true colors.

That being said I hope that debian can muster enough support to fork firefox
into a new browser. One in which is truly free  and embraces opensource.

A few of us our starting a foundation of sorts unrelated to debian, but we
are waiting for any new developments concerning the web browser issue. We
hope to include a debain based opensource web browser. 

I am aware of the many opensource web browsers, but we do not wish to use
gnome or kde just to use one browser. 

Please, challenge googlefox.. I mean firefox. The opensource movement will
surely follow. Thanks  best of luck.


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Re: Debian firefox

2006-10-03 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 09:34:30PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I do hope that debian can overcome the recent of firefox. It is nice for them
 to show their true colors.
 
 That being said I hope that debian can muster enough support to fork firefox
 into a new browser. One in which is truly free  and embraces opensource.
 
I would like to propose a name: Debian WaterBuffalo

Regards,

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Re: Debian firefox

2006-10-03 Thread Chris Waters
On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 01:27:01PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

 I would like to propose a name: Debian WaterBuffalo

I thought we already agreed on IceWeasel.  :)

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Re: Debian firefox

2006-10-03 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 11:46:45AM -0700, Chris Waters wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 01:27:01PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
 
  I would like to propose a name: Debian WaterBuffalo
 
 I thought we already agreed on IceWeasel.  :)
 
There was some discussion about potential Firefox replacement names a
few days ago on IRC.  I suggested WaterBuffalo and Manoj and a couple of
other people really liked it.  Just an idea.

Regards,

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Re: Debian firefox

2006-10-03 Thread Bastian Venthur
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 I do hope that debian can overcome the recent of firefox. It is nice for them
 to show their true colors.
 
 That being said I hope that debian can muster enough support to fork firefox
 into a new browser. One in which is truly free  and embraces opensource.

Not sure what you mean. Firefox is free- and opensource. AFAIK they are
only trying to protect their brand/trademark, which is IMHO ok, since
the code itself is still free. They just want to make sure, that a
product wearing the official logo and carrying the official name
actually *is* the official firefox.

BTW, Debian has some restrictions too when you want to use the official
logo.

http://www.us.debian.org/logos/#official-use


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Re: Debian firefox

2006-10-03 Thread Nico Golde
Hello Bastian,

* Bastian Venthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-10-03 22:29]:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I do hope that debian can overcome the recent of firefox. It is nice for 
  them
  to show their true colors.
  
  That being said I hope that debian can muster enough support to fork firefox
  into a new browser. One in which is truly free  and embraces opensource.
 
 Not sure what you mean. Firefox is free- and opensource. AFAIK they are
 only trying to protect their brand/trademark, which is IMHO ok, since
 the code itself is still free. They just want to make sure, that a
 product wearing the official logo and carrying the official name
 actually *is* the official firefox.

If you consider the logo as code (what I do) then its wrong, 
see: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622
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Re: Debian firefox

2006-10-03 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 09:09:41PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote:
 Not sure what you mean. Firefox is free- and opensource. AFAIK they are
 only trying to protect their brand/trademark, which is IMHO ok, since
 the code itself is still free. They just want to make sure, that a
 product wearing the official logo and carrying the official name
 actually *is* the official firefox.

They also have an abysmally bad handling of security issues for
everything that is not the latest and most shiny version. I don't know
whether they're noticeably better for what they claim to support.

Greetings
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Re: Debian firefox

2006-10-03 Thread Bastian Venthur
Marc Haber wrote:
 They also have an abysmally bad handling of security issues for
 everything that is not the latest and most shiny version. I don't know
 whether they're noticeably better for what they claim to support.

Maybe, but that was not my point. I somehow have the impression that
some people think firefox is non-free (or sort of) just because Debian
has to rebrand it. I just wanted to point out that Firefox itself is
free and the problem a bit more complicated.


Cheers,

Bastian

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Re: Debian firefox

2006-10-03 Thread Alexander Sack
On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 09:09:41PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote:
 Not sure what you mean. Firefox is free- and opensource. AFAIK they are
 only trying to protect their brand/trademark, which is IMHO ok, since

There is a difference of protecting a brand and maximizing brand
value ... there latest move is about the latter.


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