Re: How about using national flags instead of text in debian.org?
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 16:10, Hyun-Gwan Seo westpo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! My name is Hyun-Gwan Seo from Republic of Korea. Official debian website is translated many languages. (i.e. german, korean, français and so on) If I want to see a translated german page, click the 'Deutsch' at the bottom of the web site. How about using national flags? I think that national flags are much more helpful and eidetic than text. What if a language is spoken by more than one country? This is a very common claim and may lead to problem with Debian's longstanding neutral position on international cultural and political issues. -- Regards, Aron Xu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAMr=8w64-Vi08==zkue7dtrmrnrtdk1eqfemcp3fyney0v1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: How about using national flags instead of text in debian.org?
* Aron Xu [2012-02-05 16:31:20 +0800] wrote: On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 16:10, Hyun-Gwan Seo westpo...@gmail.com wrote: Official debian website is translated many languages. (i.e. german, korean, français and so on) If I want to see a translated german page, click the 'Deutsch' at the bottom of the web site. How about using national flags? I think that national flags are much more helpful and eidetic than text. What if a language is spoken by more than one country? This is a very common claim and may lead to problem with Debian's longstanding neutral position on international cultural and political issues. Yes, and that's also logic. National flag is a symbol of country and state, not (necessarily) a symbol of language. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/878vkh3blt@mithlond.arda
Re: How about using national flags instead of text in debian.org?
Hi, * Hyun-Gwan Seo westpo...@gmail.com [2012-02-05 09:10:53 CET]: How about using national flags? I think that national flags are much more helpful and eidetic than text. Flags represent nations and not language. Having the German flag for the German language is mildly insulting for myself because I am from Austria. Also, the same issue applies for a big amount of other areas. If you don't understand my suggestion, please visit following websites. http://www.red5server.org/ Why should a brit click on the US flag? http://gambas.sourceforge.net Why should an american click on the british flag? Please also read this posting, and following links from there to understand the issue: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200604/indicating_language_choice_flags_text_both_neither/ Thanks, Rhonda -- Fühlst du dich mutlos, fass endlich Mut, los | Fühlst du dich hilflos, geh raus und hilf, los| Wir sind Helden Fühlst du dich machtlos, geh raus und mach, los | 23.55: Alles auf Anfang Fühlst du dich haltlos, such Halt und lass los| -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120205093243.ga7...@anguilla.debian.or.at
Re: How about using national flags instead of text in debian.org?
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 10:32:43AM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Hi, * Hyun-Gwan Seo westpo...@gmail.com [2012-02-05 09:10:53 CET]: How about using national flags? I think that national flags are much more helpful and eidetic than text. Flags represent nations and not language. Having the German flag for the German language is mildly insulting for myself because I am from Austria. Also, the same issue applies for a big amount of other areas. A long time ago we lost at least one good developer on precisely this issue: Herbert Xu resigned because of Chinese/Taiwanese flag issues, if I remember correctly. Chinese covers Hong Kong and Macao SARs, People's Republic of China, Singapore and Taiwan/Republic of China as a minimum - - more or less in English alphabetical order - which one flag would you want? [And that doesn't cover the Chinese diaspora in Australia/Canada/US/UK - what do you do if you're British-born Chinese?] Traditional Chinese - seemingly OK for everywhere other than PRC / Simplified Chinese OK for PRC for the flag captions? This is _EXACTLY_ why Fedora and Red Hat stopped relying on flags for language identification. Character sets are another issue for Chinese but at least that should have been sorted out slightly by Unicode :) If you don't understand my suggestion, please visit following websites. http://www.red5server.org/ Why should a brit click on the US flag? http://gambas.sourceforge.net Why should an american click on the british flag? Please also read this posting, and following links from there to understand the issue: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200604/indicating_language_choice_flags_text_both_neither/ Thanks, Rhonda -- Rhonda, as in so many other things, is absolutely right :) Andy Cater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120205175726.ga6...@galactic.demon.co.uk
Re: How about using national flags instead of text in debian.org?
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 12:12:34PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: to try to follow a recognized international standard as closely as possible. Issues around nationality, language, and countries are political landmines, and it's very easy to blunder into an argument that one never intended and cause significant offense. Besides all this and the arguing here about one language spoken in several countries which at least could create bad feelings another fact was missing in this thread: There are several countries (if not the majority of countries??) where more than one language is spoken - to what language do you want to link in such cases? Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120205205215.gk6...@an3as.eu
