Re: How to be debian developer

2005-03-16 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Christoph Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-15 14:12]:
 The baseline is: you don't ask for participating, you just do it by
 getting involded in the areas you are interested in.

What you say is basically true.  However, many Asian countries are
very new to free software (open source) development and don't have
an established development community yet.  While they can read the
documention we supply (which is fairly thorough and well done), it
also helps to have a direct contact person who can answer questions
and to organize practical sessions introducing interested people to
ways of contributing to Debian.

I've talked to people from various Asian countries at the conference
in Beijing who were interested in establishing a development community
and I offered to give them some help.

This is just FYI.  Your reply(s) were helpful already, and I
appreciate them.  In many cases, people don't get good pointers on how
to start.
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Re: How to be debian developer

2005-03-16 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Rapid Sun [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-15 16:35]:
 Cambodia is new to Open Source. I am very interesting in this and some
 of my students want to be debian developer.
 Can you tell me how can we start on this?

In addition to what the other people have already said, I intend to
write a message with some information to the people I met in Beijing.
I've been ill since returning from China, but I hope I'll find time to
write the message soon.  I'll send it to you too.
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How to be debian developer

2005-03-15 Thread Rapid Sun
Dear Sir or Madam,
Last month, i have attended Debian Mini Conference in Beijing. The 
project manager, Mr. Martin, mentioned about helping Debian.
Cambodia is new to Open Source. I am very interesting in this and some 
of my students want to be debian developer.
Can you tell me how can we start on this? For the other suggestions, I 
would like to ask you to send all manual documents, CDs related to 
debian because in my organisation, we already setted up a room for 
Free/Open Source Software.
I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Best regards,
Rapid Sun
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Re: How to be debian developer

2005-03-15 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Tuesday 15 March 2005 10.35, Rapid Sun wrote:
 Dear Sir or Madam,
 Last month, i have attended Debian Mini Conference in Beijing. The
 project manager, Mr. Martin, mentioned about helping Debian.
 Cambodia is new to Open Source. I am very interesting in this and some
 of my students want to be debian developer.
 Can you tell me how can we start on this?

Hi,

The best place is to start by reading the Debian web site, especially 
starting at http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ and 
http://www.debian.org/devel/.

The short summary: don't start by applying to become an official, registered 
Debian Developer. Instead, get familiar with Debian, with its strengths and 
its weaknesses (both from a technical and structural/organisational view 
point.)  Find where Debian is lacking and where you think you can work on 
improving Debian.  Find people who are currently working in these areas 
(this is a very important step!), and talk to those people (often through a 
mailing list - if you're not sure, people on IRC or on the general 
debian-devel mailing list will certainly point you in the right direction.)  
Report bugs in the Debian bug tracking database (http://bugs.debian.org), 
but check first if the same bug was not reported before.

It is very important to me that you don't get the impression that you 
wanting to help is not appreciated - quite on the contrary, Debian can use 
more people.  But it *does* take quite a bit experience for many tasks, and 
getting experience takes time.

What you always can do, and where help is really sorely needed, is doing 
translations and documentation - in some areas little technical expertise 
is needed, so you can instantly start working.  Again: first talk to the 
relevant people; again see the web site at 
http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ (especially the mailing lists at 
http://lists.debian.org/i18n.html and 
http://lists.debian.org/debian-doc/)

 For the other suggestions, I 
 would like to ask you to send all manual documents, CDs related to
 debian because in my organisation, we already setted up a room for
 Free/Open Source Software.

Debian as an organisation does not send out CDs and manuals.

I am aware that big fat Internet access may not be available in your region, 
so your best course of action is probably
 - searching Linux users's groups in your wider area (and every time 
somebody you know travels to some location)
 - asking at companies/institutions in your area with decent interent 
connectivity if you may download Debian cd images there.

That said, to really actively work on Debian, I feel a way to regularly 
upload and download quantities of software is quite necessary (not 
necessarily 100s of MBytes, but certainly tens of MBytes per week) - Debian 
is an Internet project, and much Software is updated regularly.  Shipping 
CDs regularly is probably just not really a feasible long-term solution.

greetings
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Re: How to be debian developer

2005-03-15 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Rapid Sun in [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Last month, i have attended Debian Mini Conference in Beijing. The 
 project manager, Mr. Martin, mentioned about helping Debian.
 Cambodia is new to Open Source. I am very interesting in this and some 
 of my students want to be debian developer.

There are many ways to get involved: go to the #debian channels on
IRC, fix some bugs on bugs.debian.org, find a nice package to adopt
(see the wnpp bugs) or package a new one, etc...

This is all summarized at http://www.debian.org/devel/join/, which
also has pointers to all kinds of documentation.

The baseline is: you don't ask for participating, you just do it by
getting involded in the areas you are interested in.

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Re: How to be debian developer

2005-03-15 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Rapid Sun [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.03.15.1035 +0100]:
 Last month, i have attended Debian Mini Conference in Beijing. The 
 project manager, Mr. Martin, mentioned about helping Debian.
 Cambodia is new to Open Source. I am very interesting in this and some 
 of my students want to be debian developer.
 Can you tell me how can we start on this?

My book (http://debianbook.info) has a chapter on this, and also
provides a lot of other helpful information. I realise that it is
sold at a price which is not appropriate in Cambodia. I visited your
country this January and was so warmly greeted everywhere that
I would not be able to sleep at night without saying: please send me
your address and the number of people involved and I will see what
I can do. :)

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