Re: Linuxtag Germany (Berlin) 2011 -- recap
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 06:01:57PM +0300, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 10:45:38PM +0200, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: All in all, that were great four days. I don't know about official numbers about visitors or anything. But I do know that we all had fun, that we've met new, interesting people as well as the old guys from the last few years. I'd like to thank Annette for making the effort and organizing everything, Alex for shipping the merch stuff to us, and -- of course -- all our helpers at the booth, be that DDs or total newbies. I can't list them all -- sorry -- but rest assured, we've had an interesting, refreshing, and big team of about 10 to 15 people everyday who offered their help. Everyone (as far as I know) was free to see whatever talk they liked (except for Zack's talk that everyone wanted to hear), and we still kept the booth running. Thanks to all of you who registered on the wiki page [3] so we were able to plan; thanks to all who just jumped in whenever it seemed neccessary. And special thanks to those who worked just as hard and literally just started getting to know Debian better! ... and, while we are at it, thanks for this report Jan. I always found amazing to read about community feedback at events where Debian is present in person. I sometime do a lousy job at reporting about the events I attend on behalf of Debian (shame on me!), but reading reports like this one reminds me how useful they are. Please keep them coming and encourage other Debian representatives at events to do the same. Absolutely. That's basically something I've learned from you: communicate about the good stuff. :) For what concerns my own LinuxTag recap, I've unfortunately being able to attend only one day (Thursday) due to family and work business. Nonetheless I've been amazed by the warm welcome of LinuxTag-ers for Debian, something I've also experienced in past LinuxTag editions. Even though my talk has been scheduled in a not entirely appropriate track, i.e. the business application track [1], and on a non week-end day, the room was quite packed and people seem to have appreciated yet another edition of the song dance in spreading the verb about Debian's grand role in the ecosystem of Free software. Various people told me they were looking forward to attend the other two Debian-related talk by Alexander and Moritz (see [2] for pointers to the various Debian-related events at LinuxTag 2011). To conclude and disclose, I hereby thank LinuxTag organization for sponsoring my travel attendance to the conference. +1 Organization was very friendly and worked out great for all of us. Hauke PS: I prefer Hauke over Jan :) -- .''`. Jan Hauke Rahm j...@debian.org www.jhr-online.de : :' : Debian Developer www.debian.org `. `'` Member of the Linux Foundationwww.linux.com `- Fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe www.fsfe.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Linuxtag Germany (Berlin) 2011 -- recap
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 10:45:38PM +0200, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote:
All in all, that were great four days. I don't know about official
numbers about visitors or anything. But I do know that we all had fun,
that we've met new, interesting people as well as the old guys from
the last few years. I'd like to thank Annette for making the effort and
organizing everything, Alex for shipping the merch stuff to us, and --
of course -- all our helpers at the booth, be that DDs or total newbies.
I can't list them all -- sorry -- but rest assured, we've had an
interesting, refreshing, and big team of about 10 to 15 people everyday
who offered their help. Everyone (as far as I know) was free to see
whatever talk they liked (except for Zack's talk that everyone wanted to
hear), and we still kept the booth running. Thanks to all of you who
registered on the wiki page [3] so we were able to plan; thanks to all
who just jumped in whenever it seemed neccessary. And special thanks to
those who worked just as hard and literally just started getting to know
Debian better!
... and, while we are at it, thanks for this report Jan. I always found
amazing to read about community feedback at events where Debian is
present in person. I sometime do a lousy job at reporting about the
events I attend on behalf of Debian (shame on me!), but reading reports
like this one reminds me how useful they are. Please keep them coming
and encourage other Debian representatives at events to do the same.
For what concerns my own LinuxTag recap, I've unfortunately being able
to attend only one day (Thursday) due to family and work business.
Nonetheless I've been amazed by the warm welcome of LinuxTag-ers for
Debian, something I've also experienced in past LinuxTag editions. Even
though my talk has been scheduled in a not entirely appropriate track,
i.e. the business application track [1], and on a non week-end day,
the room was quite packed and people seem to have appreciated yet
another edition of the song dance in spreading the verb about Debian's
grand role in the ecosystem of Free software. Various people told me
they were looking forward to attend the other two Debian-related talk by
Alexander and Moritz (see [2] for pointers to the various Debian-related
events at LinuxTag 2011).
To conclude and disclose, I hereby thank LinuxTag organization for
sponsoring my travel attendance to the conference.
Cheers.
[1] which had me juggling a bit with my slides and speech on the
relationships among Debian and businesses
[2] 20110511103627.gb12...@melusine.alphascorpii.net
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Linuxtag Germany (Berlin) 2011 -- recap
Dear everyone, we've had the great oportunity of presenting Debian at the LinuxTag 2011 [0] with a booth, kindly organized by Annette, that we shared with Kanotix [1] and aptosid [2]. Our working together was fun and productive as we had a lot of talks with each other as well as with guests that asked about our relationship and Debian and its derivatives in general. It was refreshing to see how many normal users care about giving back and partly even know about ongoing discussions in Debian. We've had many discussions about 'rolling', its possible implementations, its effect on users, often even if it would bring back users that nowadays use Ubuntu. Speaking of which, I, personally, found it interesting how many users see Debian as the great effort but for some reasons prefer Ubuntu as their desktop system. Particularly, when a single missing package (for instance some funny desktop feature) would make the difference. We all encouraged users to use 'reportbug', share their experiences with Debian, help improve it in whatever way they can think of. Almost all of them figured they could do something, even if it's simple stuff. We can't fix bugs that we don't know about was possibly the most repeated sentence during the four days of the event. And it seemed to make sense to them. :) Another interesting topic was appreciation of the work of others, (seemingly) completely unrelated to Debian. For instance, while most of our guests at the booth cared for stability, thorough planning of releases, the Debian package management etc. and therefor don't like using distributions that don't profit from that -- when it came to interesting, new efforts like '/run', they all appreciated how other distributions (or projects in general) go a different way and by that work on things everyone can profit from in the long run. I, personally, never saw that many people give credit to projects they usually don't like much for whatever reason. I liked how this development in our community improves Free Software more generally than just single projects. All in all, that were great four days. I don't know about official numbers about visitors or anything. But I do know that we all had fun, that we've met new, interesting people as well as the old guys from the last few years. I'd like to thank Annette for making the effort and organizing everything, Alex for shipping the merch stuff to us, and -- of course -- all our helpers at the booth, be that DDs or total newbies. I can't list them all -- sorry -- but rest assured, we've had an interesting, refreshing, and big team of about 10 to 15 people everyday who offered their help. Everyone (as far as I know) was free to see whatever talk they liked (except for Zack's talk that everyone wanted to hear), and we still kept the booth running. Thanks to all of you who registered on the wiki page [3] so we were able to plan; thanks to all who just jumped in whenever it seemed neccessary. And special thanks to those who worked just as hard and literally just started getting to know Debian better! Great fun; you should consider coming to next year's LinuxTag! Hauke [0] http://www.linuxtag.org/2011/ [1] http://www.kanotix.com [2] http://www.aptosid.com [3] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEventsDe/2011/LinuxTag -- .''`. Jan Hauke Rahm j...@debian.org www.jhr-online.de : :' : Debian Developer www.debian.org `. `'` Member of the Linux Foundationwww.linux.com `- Fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe www.fsfe.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Linuxtag Germany (Berlin) 2011 -- recap
Hello, On 05/21/2011 10:45 PM, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: We all encouraged users to use 'reportbug', share their experiences with Debian, help improve it in whatever way they can think of. Almost all of them figured they could do something, even if it's simple stuff. We can't fix bugs that we don't know about was possibly the most repeated sentence during the four days of the event. And it seemed to make sense to them. :) this is amazing, indeed. And I experience fairly frequently, too. From my observation the issue is less the picture than the immediate appreciation that there are folks caring for their user experience so much that the decision towards Ubuntu feels safer. We can react to this in multiple ways: * get more artists attracted to Debian and encourage them to contribute in some way that we may not even foresee, yet it's art after all. How to render Debian more attractive to artists I don't really know. What comes to mind: o a Debian blend for art? o better visibility of authorships for contributed art throughout the system, to help the artists' promotion? o competitions, prices? * strengthen the concept of Blends more for various communities. This may help to ensure more complete workflows for various user groups and increases the likelihood that because of particular ties between users and developers the one or other piece of glue code may find its way into the archive, which may not fit to any particular package but ist just helpful in some way, * do nothing * ..? All those changes would need to come from those who use those packages. No idea how this could be triggered. And it may not be clear if an active effort to recruit contributers for from the core of the project is truly in our interest in the first place. Steffen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dd83b3e.4060...@gmx.de
Re: Linuxtag Germany (Berlin) 2011 -- recap
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 6:22 AM, Steffen Möller steffen_moel...@gmx.de wrote: * get more artists attracted to Debian and encourage them to contribute in some way that we may not even foresee, yet it's art after all. How to render Debian more attractive to artists I don't really know. Valessio Brito has been trying to push this a bit through things like art.debian.net. What comes to mind: o a Debian blend for art? pkg-multimedia folks were thinking about starting some blends, I think this could fit well there. o better visibility of authorships for contributed art throughout the system, to help the artists' promotion? The chosen desktop themes in desktop-base get good coverage in the more popular desktops (GNOME, KDE etc) but things like GNUStep, openbox, awesome don't use the default themes yet. o competitions, prices? Some competitions happen at art.debian.net, for example the recent Debian and Debian women mascots * strengthen the concept of Blends more for various communities. This may help to ensure more complete workflows for various user groups and increases the likelihood that because of particular ties between users and developers the one or other piece of glue code may find its way into the archive, which may not fit to any particular package but ist just helpful in some way, +1 I plan to start some game-related blends at some stage. I need to dig a bit more into the technical side of blends first though. http://wiki.debian.org/Games/Blends -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktimvhwg3c-wrc55ukbiryrdz4ra...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Linuxtag Germany (Berlin) 2011 -- recap
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 09:43:33AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: I plan to start some game-related blends at some stage. I need to dig a bit more into the technical side of blends first though. IMHO it would be a good idea to use Debian Jr as template for what you are planing. We should agree to sit together at DebCamp (if you will join) to push this together. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110522045922.gb17...@an3as.eu
