Re: No more bugreports from me.

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2006-08-16 11:08:04, schrieb Russ Allbery:

> I do not want my e-mail address munged or hidden on any of my bug reports
> and will get fairly upset if that happens.  My e-mail address is on my bug
> reports so that people can contact me about those bug reports if need be,
> and I do not want it obscured, hidden, forced through form submission
> pages, or otherwise taken away.

FullACK.  I do not know, why Peoples complaining about spam.  It is
known since many years and since my own E-Mail  is
40.000-80.000 times listet in Google I get per day 500-14.000 spams!

Fortunatly we have procmail and spamassassin and I have no wory about it.

Greetings
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
Tamay Dogan Network
Debian GNU/Linux Consultant


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Re: Re: No more bugreports from me.

[Jon Dowland]

At 1155730971 past the epoch, Magnus Berg wrote:
> Now I suggest that that a script change all e-mail
> addresses, in all incoming bugreports, to links that hide
> the e-mail address.

I would appose this being the default action. I would not
appose it being an option, but I would prefer if it was made
clear to those who chose to use such an option that bug
reports or other information may not be acted upon if the
submitter could not be contacted.

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Re: No more bugreports from me.

[Matthias Julius]

Magnus Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I don't put much blame on the Aptitude maintainer for that's happened. I'm 
> little irritated but understand that the normal thing to do, and as a reflex 
> action, is just use the redeliver button in the e-mail application and 
> redeliver my mail as it is.
> But then the administrator doesn't remove my mail address on request I get 
> real angry.

As was pointed out already there are various places where Debian bug
reports are archived.  Google is a prominent one.  How do you want to
followup with all of those sites?

Matthias


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Re: No more bugreports from me.

[Miguel Gea Milvaques]

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Hi,

Maybe a possible solution could be that the mail of the sender be
substituted with something like
[owner|[EMAIL PROTECTED], that forward the mail to the
correct owner without show the real mail address. This address only will
be available if the bug is not archived, so the spam problems will be a
temporal problem.

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Re: No more bugreports from me.

[Don Armstrong]

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Magnus Berg wrote:
> I don't put much blame on the Aptitude maintainer for that's happened. I'm 
> little irritated but understand that the normal thing to do, and as a reflex 
> action, is just use the redeliver button in the e-mail application and 
> redeliver my mail as it is.

Bug reports aren't modified, just like the content of the list
archives aren't modified. The most alteration done to the bug log is
to remove obvious spam, just like what happens to the list archives.

If you don't want your e-mail address made public, don't send it to
the BTS. [Frankly though, I don't really see the point. My address is
on hundreds or thousands of reports, and it's not like the spam that
I'm sent isn't handled with spamassassin or similar programs. Spam is
a problem, but making things more difficult for legitimate users of
your address is not the solution.]

> But then the administrator doesn't remove my mail address on request
> I get real angry.

I (and anyone else on owner@) haven't responded because I have been
busy, and your request requires rehashing things that have been
explained before.
 
> Now I suggest that that a script change all e-mail addresses, in all
> incoming bugreports, to links that hide the e-mail address.

This is #63995, which has been marked 'wontfix' for the explanation
contained within for quite some time.


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Re: No more bugreports from me.

[Paul Johnson]

On Wednesday 16 August 2006 03:22, Magnus Berg wrote:

> But then the administrator doesn't remove my mail address on request I get
> real angry.

If you ever share your email address unmunged with anyone, anywhere in any 
capacity, consider that the spammers probably already do anyway.

> Now I suggest that that a script change all e-mail addresses, in all
> incoming bugreports, to links that hide the e-mail address.

Thus delaying the inevitable and making it a pain in the ass for real people 
who might have a real reason to email you.  You can't make it harder for 
spammers to get your email address even if you are making it harder for real 
people to email you, it just doesn't work like that.

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Re: No more bugreports from me.

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:22:51 +0200, Magnus Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 


> Now I suggest that that a script change all e-mail addresses, in all
> incoming bugreports, to links that hide the e-mail address. 

I would object to hiding my contact information in case
 someone, not just the maintainer, wants to contact me about the
 issues I brought up.

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Re: No more bugreports from me.

[Russ Allbery]

Magnus Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Now I suggest that that a script change all e-mail addresses, in all
> incoming bugreports, to links that hide the e-mail address.

I do not want my e-mail address munged or hidden on any of my bug reports
and will get fairly upset if that happens.  My e-mail address is on my bug
reports so that people can contact me about those bug reports if need be,
and I do not want it obscured, hidden, forced through form submission
pages, or otherwise taken away.

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Re: No more bugreports from me.

[Jörg Sommer]

Hello Benjamin,

Benjamin Mesing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> However, in such a case it would be in my opinion most desirable, if the
> BTS administrator could act quickly to remedy the situation (even though
> the BTS is probably mirrored at various locations..).

...and spam lists are held for years. It should nothing change if the
address is removed from the BTS. It's on a internal spammer list.

BTW: I suggest bogofilter. A small and really good spam filter.

Have a nice day, Jörg.
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Re: Re: No more bugreports from me.

[Magnus Berg]

I don't put much blame on the Aptitude maintainer for that's happened. I'm 
little irritated but understand that the normal thing to do, and as a reflex 
action, is just use the redeliver button in the e-mail application and 
redeliver my mail as it is.
But then the administrator doesn't remove my mail address on request I get 
real angry.

Now I suggest that that a script change all e-mail addresses, in all incoming 
bugreports, to links that hide the e-mail address. The Debian community is 
very good at making package building scripts so I don't thingk that it should 
meet any problems to build a script that takes care of that. And I think 
everybody should be happy if they got less Spam. And as I wrote before: Spam 
should not be the drawback for reporting bugs.

Magnus Berg
Burgsvik
SWEDEN


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Re: No more bugreports from me.

[Benjamin Mesing]

Hello


>  The report you can see was a ordinary e-mail sent to the maintainer of 
> Aptitude. He saw it as a Dpkg thing and asked me if he could send it to the 
> public dpkg list. I said O.K. Now you can think I have to blame myself but I 
> could never thought about that he would include my personal information, 
> including my main e-mail address, then he send it further to the public dpkg 
> list. But he did.
It sounds to me that there was a misunderstanding and this is most
unfortunate. However, misunderstanding happens, especially in written
language. Please do not blame the Aptitude maintainer for this, since he
probably thought, that your consent to forward your mail, covered the
full email.
However, in such a case it would be in my opinion most desirable, if the
BTS administrator could act quickly to remedy the situation (even though
the BTS is probably mirrored at various locations..).

Best regards 

Ben

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Re: No more bugreports from me.

[Paul Johnson]

On Tuesday 15 August 2006 06:40, Magnus Berg wrote:
> It's not fun to reports bugs to the Debian bug tracking system. The thanks
> you get is spam.

That's the price you pay for participation on the internet in any capacity, 
the Debian BTS is not a special case.

>  I have a special e-mail address that I use then I'm little afraid that it
> becomes public. My intention is to change that address then it collect to
> much spam.

http://www.interhack.net/pubs/munging-harmful

Also check out spamassassin, it does pretty well even on spam forwarded by the 
BTS.

>  The report you can see was a ordinary e-mail sent to the maintainer of
> Aptitude. He saw it as a Dpkg thing and asked me if he could send it to the
> public dpkg list. I said O.K. Now you can think I have to blame myself but
> I could never thought about that he would include my personal information,
> including my main e-mail address, then he send it further to the public
> dpkg list. But he did.

You said he could.  That's your fault.  Besides, the moment you ever used your 
email address it became public information.  Deal with it.

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No more bugreports from me.

[Magnus Berg]

It's not fun to reports bugs to the Debian bug tracking system. The thanks you 
get is spam.
 I have a special e-mail address that I use then I'm little afraid that it 
becomes public. My intention is to change that address then it collect to 
much spam.
 But my latest contribution to the Debian bug tracking system was a big 
mistake. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=45480
 The report you can see was a ordinary e-mail sent to the maintainer of 
Aptitude. He saw it as a Dpkg thing and asked me if he could send it to the 
public dpkg list. I said O.K. Now you can think I have to blame myself but I 
could never thought about that he would include my personal information, 
including my main e-mail address, then he send it further to the public dpkg 
list. But he did.
 To avoid spam I send a mail, four days ago, to the Debian bug tracking system 
administrator and asked him to remove my personal information. I haven't 
heard from him and my personal information is still public in the bugreport.
 Today I got my first spam ever to my main e-mail address and now I'm very 
angry and dissatisfied. Spam should not be the drawback for reporting bugs, I 
think. And the Debian bug tracking system is not a place there I want to 
contribute anymore.

Magnus Berg
Burgsvik
SWEDEN


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