Re: For those who care about stable updates
If you make James be lynched by the mob, I will go as well. All the people who think it's appropriate to blackmail the project with full or partial withdrawal of their services should probably start listing in great detail those contributions which we would be missing if they actually followed through on their threats. That way the mob can make well-thought-out, dispassionate, logical decisions about whom to exclude. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: For those who care about stable updates
Hi Marga, I tend to agree with you. Let's calm down. Margarita Manterola wrote: For the next time, it would be better if before asking the DPL to relieve a fellow developer from his duties and making such a big plea as you've made, you'd consider hearing all the different sides of the story, taking into account the many additional factors, and then -and only then- write such a petition. My perception, and maybe the perception of others, is that we, us poor mortals, are deprived from seeing both sides of the story on a regular basis. A recent mail from Aj to d-vote helped me understand, for example, the last keyring-mainteinance conflicts and timeline. But that mail is a rare exception, providing needed bits of information that James himself seldom bothers to offer, which makes sense as he is or seems to be so busy. http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2006/03/msg00263.html No rant here, just again wondering why we are *again* discussing this. -- .''`. I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think : :' : I have ended up where I needed to be -- Douglas Adams `. `' Proudly running unstable Debian GNU/Linux `- www.amayita.com www.malapecora.com www.chicasduras.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: For those who care about stable updates
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 02:59:37PM +, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: James: [...] I grieve at the harm you have done Debian in the evident blindness of your pride. Your formidable enmity I may earn today. If so, this in itself is a regrettable and serious matter, but so be it. Now please go. Well, at least Thaddeus stays on message, I guess [0]. One correction though; having earnt James' emnity in the past, I've got to say, it's really not all that formidable [1]. Cheers, a it's not loyalty, dude, it's respect j [0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00605.html [1] Not that I don't still have those blackmail photos ready to be automatically blogged in the case of my death or disappearance, just in case you were wondering, Mr Troup... signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: For those who care about stable updates
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 11:10:10AM -0500, Clint Adams wrote: That way the mob can make well-thought-out, dispassionate, logical decisions about whom to exclude. After a flamewar? Allow me to 'hmm' on that one ;-) -- Fun will now commence -- Seven Of Nine, Ashes to Ashes, stardate 53679.4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: For those who care about stable updates
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 02:59:37PM +, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: Branden, this is outrageous. It has gone too far. The Project has discussed the matter for years. If the consensus is not that James does useful, steady work but I think James does useful, steady work, yes. I also think that he is overloaded with work and a bit paranoid -- as any good sysadmin should be. That's not to say that Joey's frustrations are to be ignored; but saying that James is The Problem(TM) here sounds like overreaction to me. Though I'll acknowledge that there is a problem if James is slow in response on one of the many hats he's wearing, I urge you to respect him for the huge and huge amounts of work he gets done for the Project. -- Fun will now commence -- Seven Of Nine, Ashes to Ashes, stardate 53679.4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: For those who care about stable updates
Wouter Verhelst wrote on 09/03/2006 19:28: [...] saying that James is The Problem(TM) here sounds like overreaction to me. It might be. Though I'll acknowledge that there is a problem if James is slow in response on one of the many hats he's wearing, I urge you to respect him for the huge and huge amounts of work he gets done for the Project. Well, if James himself isn't the problem, then the problem lies in the many hats he's wearing (to use your words). If he is overloaded, he should step back from one or more of those posts and let others fill in. Honestly: I _do_ value the work James does (though I don't see much of it, I still assume he does a lot in the background to keep the Debian infrastructure working). But the problem is the work only he can do currently, but which sits waiting in a long (and even getting longer) queue. cu, sven signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
