Re: Partners
Quoting from a freshly created http://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Guidelines # Current Debian trademark policy states: To be fair to all businesses, we insist that no business use the name Debian in the name of the business, or a domain name of the business. * ongoing work on the Draft of the new Debian trademark policy aims to clarify/relax above restriction. Consult the DebianProjectLeader meanwhile on a case-by-case basis On Sun, 19 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 07:49:09PM +0100, Jesús M. Navarro wrote: Humm... don't think so. Building, say, a Debian Professional distribution would indeed be a Debian's trademark violation and that's probably what the original poster was asking to do. Of course, if the pro version was also called Debian, that would be a trademark violation. But if it were called something else, it's just a derivative. -- =--= Keep in touch www.onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko www.ohloh.net/accounts/yarikoptic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101224193515.gh8...@onerussian.com
Re: Partners
Hi, Jonathan: On Saturday 18 December 2010 02:06:27 Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: Please keep this discussion on-list, that is debian-project@lists.debian.org, and avoid top-posting (http://idallen.com/topposting.html). On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 12:51:50AM +, anthony budd wrote: If a system could be arrnaged what would be the terms? Also could a pro version be made. When I say made I just mean make it look diffent with minor changes. So that people can buy a new and inovative product. You don't seem to have understood the purpose of Debian, or its philosophy, or read the links I sent you. Of course you can take our works, make them look prettier and redistribute them for money, but you still have to honour the license terms of each package. Humm... don't think so. Building, say, a Debian Professional distribution would indeed be a Debian's trademark violation and that's probably what the original poster was asking to do. Cheers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201012191949.09689.jesus.nava...@undominio.net
Re: Partners
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 07:49:09PM +0100, Jesús M. Navarro wrote: Humm... don't think so. Building, say, a Debian Professional distribution would indeed be a Debian's trademark violation and that's probably what the original poster was asking to do. Of course, if the pro version was also called Debian, that would be a trademark violation. But if it were called something else, it's just a derivative. -- Jonathan Wiltshire j...@debian.org Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw 4096R: 0xD3524C51 / 0A55 B7C5 1223 3942 86EC 74C3 5394 479D D352 4C51 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101219195940.ga15...@lupin.powdarrmonkey.net
Re: Partners
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:36:06PM +, anthony budd wrote: I was looking at your website on the partners program page, and i was wondering. Does being a partner give the right to sell Debian? Or if not do you offer a program in which a business can sell Debian for a commission? Debian is free software[1], anybody can reproduce CDs for users and charge whatever they like for that convenience. Equally, any user can choose to buy CDs from a vendor or download Debian directly - it's their choice. Regarding partners: The project is run by volunteers; the companies listed on the partners page are those that have provided ongoing assistance through hardware, hosting, or some other service. People who have given financial donations are recognised differently [2]. 1: http://www.debian.org/social_contract 2: http://www.debian.org/donations -- Jonathan Wiltshire j...@debian.org Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw 4096R: 0xD3524C51 / 0A55 B7C5 1223 3942 86EC 74C3 5394 479D D352 4C51 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Partners
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:12:37PM +, anthony budd wrote: But is it not the case that if someone sold your OS for any price yet downloaded it for free would infringe the copyright law? No, because the software you download is made availabe under a free license, see the previous links and http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html The service you are providing is downloading the software and putting it onto some kind of media for users to install. You can charge whatever you like for that service, but you can't force people to use it because they are free to download it themselves at their own cost. Otherwise could we negotiate a commission system were I sell the OS in the UK? If you redistribute Debian and make a profit, you could consider making a donation to the project to fund further development. But no, there is no commission system and there will probably never be. -- Jonathan Wiltshire j...@debian.org Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw 4096R: 0xD3524C51 / 0A55 B7C5 1223 3942 86EC 74C3 5394 479D D352 4C51 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Partners
But is it not the case that if someone sold your OS for any price yet downloaded it for free would infringe the copyright law? Otherwise could we negotiate a commission system were I sell the OS in the UK? On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Jonathan Wiltshire j...@debian.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:36:06PM +, anthony budd wrote: I was looking at your website on the partners program page, and i was wondering. Does being a partner give the right to sell Debian? Or if not do you offer a program in which a business can sell Debian for a commission? Debian is free software[1], anybody can reproduce CDs for users and charge whatever they like for that convenience. Equally, any user can choose to buy CDs from a vendor or download Debian directly - it's their choice. Regarding partners: The project is run by volunteers; the companies listed on the partners page are those that have provided ongoing assistance through hardware, hosting, or some other service. People who have given financial donations are recognised differently [2]. 1: http://www.debian.org/social_contract 2: http://www.debian.org/donations -- Jonathan Wiltshire j...@debian.org Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw 4096R: 0xD3524C51 / 0A55 B7C5 1223 3942 86EC 74C3 5394 479D D352 4C51 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNC+wEAAoJEFOUR53TUkxR9LwP/iXywrjBRxgTeCVJqeaCNeRT oPzKv71vI8KfdOhyCXyVr5h2lcqVzOqsnK85BF+nSQp3Vh8J2dqOj33SIoHoeFfU jnwKgBIthim8r9+kNbu0QXvDDOpNUiArbm2WyZbeeqqmGzO/CGToUMy+j7+9+to6 jwldmRao4tuLxuDX8avOHScHlIGWBJMKkA0gNImH8/RcYZnvNoK8YWo5t2vyHM8K gD60Q0w77Az6sD+k8bQ53WUtr5HgB5R8REJLDSxD9Fb10tgQ/A2NKd3Lw3uU1tUS Q5QjUtdzTKR/poPzeFYwaAgfqLmcgBhYUUU64VHtPiErkUxAFtFWHZduOfdkC6Rp V7nxuM4HPXigI0CzL52kPGkNhhoBWoWwZJtiQBqbZb13SFa3pNFWHKGdJtvlS3A3 20pNMFOgFu/sXP5wBO+A+xdIfh/7NgRMI7sIeg+JHHThwrDKQZ7USs6X8kOVSEf2 nahqBBJRfI2sXVgHqtTjsoiXWIGDQKs1TVgwicxMntIIfxO1xeX33IvwFtvDLpa4 RIpv4Mpz8qfOS7uWA+H3pH8nU1tmoymGQPGcCyofFrkUh10tu8JFfsK8AF3Ubo6k m/A5X3g+iULDsNR2TemL8hMZKCzv3RJlLqXLfybeXCxJF/mCiAO14/68hPoIywn3 ehEJCGwn0qkmAQhoLbDT =cCcs -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Partners
Please keep this discussion on-list, that is debian-project@lists.debian.org, and avoid top-posting (http://idallen.com/topposting.html). On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 12:51:50AM +, anthony budd wrote: If a system could be arrnaged what would be the terms? Also could a pro version be made. When I say made I just mean make it look diffent with minor changes. So that people can buy a new and inovative product. You don't seem to have understood the purpose of Debian, or its philosophy, or read the links I sent you. Of course you can take our works, make them look prettier and redistribute them for money, but you still have to honour the license terms of each package. -- Jonathan Wiltshire j...@debian.org Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw 4096R: 0xD3524C51 / 0A55 B7C5 1223 3942 86EC 74C3 5394 479D D352 4C51 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Partners
If a system could be arrnaged what would be the terms? Also could a pro version be made. When I say made I just mean make it look diffent with minor changes. So that people can buy a new and inovative product. On Friday, December 17, 2010, Jonathan Wiltshire j...@debian.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:12:37PM +, anthony budd wrote: But is it not the case that if someone sold your OS for any price yet downloaded it for free would infringe the copyright law? No, because the software you download is made availabe under a free license, see the previous links and http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html The service you are providing is downloading the software and putting it onto some kind of media for users to install. You can charge whatever you like for that service, but you can't force people to use it because they are free to download it themselves at their own cost. Otherwise could we negotiate a commission system were I sell the OS in the UK? If you redistribute Debian and make a profit, you could consider making a donation to the project to fund further development. But no, there is no commission system and there will probably never be. -- Jonathan Wiltshire ...@debian.org Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw 4096R: 0xD3524C51 / 0A55 B7C5 1223 3942 86EC 74C3 5394 479D D352 4C51 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=e_jydoczqkrj9kpyaioptit6wejswt0ok7...@mail.gmail.com
