Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frans Pop wrote: Planet would very soon become totally unreadable if everyone (or even just a few active people) would start microblogging for e.g. ever package upload or he does. And that _is_ the level at which you are doing your microblogging. I suggest you remove the feed until there is some kind of proper support specifically for microblogging as suggested in other replies. Seconded. Please don't abuse planet for this microbloging stuff. Thanks. - -- Bernd Zeimetz Debian GNU/Linux Developer GPG Fingerprint: 06C8 C9A2 EAAD E37E 5B2C BE93 067A AD04 C93B FF79 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknrlt8ACgkQBnqtBMk7/3kADQCgizzfdHugehg1/5fFJkqvklX1 5NkAnR0rFVjElmMQFeHTI1DUQT4i6k/r =8cS3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
On mer, 2009-04-08 at 11:11 +0200, gregor herrmann wrote: I think it would be nice to have because - the !debian group on identi.ca is IMO pretty useless since everybody who turns on their computer and knows how to spell d-e-b-i-a-n seems to !need !to !tell !the !world !about !it /rant (for reference: http://identi.ca/group/debian) - we could make the new feed especially for _contributors_, like Planet That could be a job for debian-community.org I guess? -- Yves-Alexis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
Paul Wise wrote: Or pluto.debian.org, not quite a planet, not quite a moon. Good one ;^) I like it! Cheers, -- Raf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 08:18:15PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
I like the planet-kde approach to microblogging.
It is in a seperate box on planet and not part of the main rss feed.
Sounds like the most reasonable approach.
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Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
It appears that today either Luk himself or someone else added a Status feed to planet.d.o with one-liner info messages about what Luk's up to. I did that. Please not. Planet is not twitter/identi.ca/whateveronelinemessageservice. :) Luk: what do you think yourself? I think having a very limited amount of tweets from people that do not write long blog posts is ok, though if it's not appreciated I'll remove my feed. Short blog posts are ok, but one-sentence status things like identi.ca has, quite often with the same title and content are *IMO* pretty annoying. While it's easy ignorable if only one does this, we do have more than one feed on planet, and if everyone would do that, or only half of them - uh no, planet would be pretty unreadable. If someone thinks such a thing would be good to have on (or below) planet.d.o, an aggregrator for such extra feeds could be made. But I'm not sure that buys us anything, as those people can use those Debian groups on those other platforms? -- bye, Joerg Some NM: graphviz: ouch, that license is hard to read, damn lawyer gibberish. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
On 11714 March 1977, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 08:18:15PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote: I like the planet-kde approach to microblogging. It is in a seperate box on planet and not part of the main rss feed. Sounds like the most reasonable approach. Planet VCS is readable for everyone. So please someone provide a patch, if we really want this, and I can look to include it. (Dont blindly commit it please, code changes aren't done automagically anyway :) ) -- bye, Joerg dannf asking an engineer at hp for part numbers is like asking Ganneff for the right mixture of fuel for a 747 - i might happen to know (like if i'd just ordered one) or might know someone who knows, but its a crapshoot :) ) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 09:59:24AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
Planet VCS is readable for everyone. So please someone provide a
patch, if we really want this, and I can look to include it.
Full ACK on your argument, ... but given I'm not one of the
microbloggers, I guess the patch writing burden should better fall on
someone else :-)
Cheers.
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Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 12:59:02AM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: Maybe it makes sense to enhance planet to collapse microblogging feeds into at most one item per day via some special-handling? That works rather poorly with a lot of microblogging use - if people start having conversations you get a daily dump of parts of a conversation you can't follow. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:56:49 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
Luk: what do you think yourself?
I think having a very limited amount of tweets from people that do not
write long blog posts is ok, though if it's not appreciated I'll remove
my feed.
Short blog posts are ok, but one-sentence status things like identi.ca
has, quite often with the same title and content are *IMO* pretty
annoying.
I agree.
Although I like to read those tweets from fellow Debian guys, I think
that Planet is the wrong place for them.
If someone thinks such a thing would be good to have on (or below)
planet.d.o, an aggregrator for such extra feeds could be made. But I'm
not sure that buys us anything, as those people can use those Debian
groups on those other platforms?
I think it would be nice to have because
- the !debian group on identi.ca is IMO pretty useless since
everybody who turns on their computer and knows how to spell
d-e-b-i-a-n seems to !need !to !tell !the !world !about !it
/rant
(for reference: http://identi.ca/group/debian)
- we could make the new feed especially for _contributors_, like
Planet
pluto sounds like a nice name :)
Cheers,
gregor
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Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
Frans Pop dijo [Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 09:10:40PM +0200]: It appears that today either Luk himself or someone else added a Status feed to planet.d.o with one-liner info messages about what Luk's up to. These messages have already started to annoy me as a) there are relatively a lot of them b) they don't really provide any information, or at least no context c) they are very simply not blog posts Although sending out such messages may be interesting to some, I also do not think they can be a replacement for proper announcements of changes in services or whatever. We have proper, official communication channels for that. (But that may not be the intention anyway.) Although I don't use Twitter myself, I understand that's a service that has been set up for such messages. Personally I'd like to see planet.d.o remain a pure blog aggregator. If people want to start a Debian twit service/channel/whatever, that's of course fine, but let's not mix dissimilar things in one service. I basically agree with Frans. If Luc (or whoever) wants to send a Twitteresque feed to Planet, I guess that feed could be auto-digested - i.e. have an intermediary consuming all your one-liners and sending them out once a day, probably timestamped. That way you won't have to repeat your information in several formats and it will be available to all Planet readers. Doing this integration is (or rather, I think should be) almost trivial... I don't have a Twitter account, but if your (Luc's or whoever is interested) feed is public, I will happily provide the digester, just ask :) -- Gunnar Wolf - gw...@gwolf.org - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
Sune Vuorela dijo [Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 08:18:15PM +]: On 2009-04-07, Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl wrote: [microblogging on planet] What do others think? I like the planet-kde approach to microblogging. It is in a seperate box on planet and not part of the main rss feed. Umh... this does aggregate, right, but separates them. Personally, I prefer having one blog-like feed, and I won't bother with higher-frequency and lower-content feeds if I can avoid them - And I doubt I'm the only microblogging-despising person. -- Gunnar Wolf - gw...@gwolf.org - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
Mark Brown dijo [Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 11:28:22AM +0100]: Maybe it makes sense to enhance planet to collapse microblogging feeds into at most one item per day via some special-handling? That works rather poorly with a lot of microblogging use - if people start having conversations you get a daily dump of parts of a conversation you can't follow. Umh, you have a point there. Still, there are some conventions (i.e. you told something to @someone) which can be worked around to provide context. And if all the micro-sentences are timestamped, a conversation might be +- followed. Still, it is a good point against what I suggested... -- Gunnar Wolf - gw...@gwolf.org - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
Frans Pop wrote: (Luk BCCed to make sure he sees the thread.) No need, I read -project. It appears that today either Luk himself or someone else added a Status feed to planet.d.o with one-liner info messages about what Luk's up to. I did that. These messages have already started to annoy me as a) there are relatively a lot of them There are only a few per day maximum from me. If there were more that reached you today it's probably because it contained the whole feed up to now. b) they don't really provide any information, or at least no context c) they are very simply not blog posts They are indeed no genuine blog posts, it are microblogging posts. Although sending out such messages may be interesting to some, I also do not think they can be a replacement for proper announcements of changes in services or whatever. We have proper, official communication channels for that. (But that may not be the intention anyway.) They are not meant as proper announcements as there should not be any proper announcement on a blog (unless it's a copy of something on the lists) IMHO. Although I don't use Twitter myself, I understand that's a service that has been set up for such messages. I don't use Twitter btw as that is closed and the company behind it decides whatever it wants, I use an open variant called identi.ca Personally I'd like to see planet.d.o remain a pure blog aggregator. If people want to start a Debian twit service/channel/whatever, that's of course fine, but let's not mix dissimilar things in one service. Well I don't intend to tweet extensively, but only as a replacement for real blogging as I'm not up to writing long blog posts. Luk: what do you think yourself? I think having a very limited amount of tweets from people that do not write long blog posts is ok, though if it's not appreciated I'll remove my feed. Cheers Luk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
On 2009-04-07, Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl wrote: [microblogging on planet] What do others think? I like the planet-kde approach to microblogging. It is in a seperate box on planet and not part of the main rss feed. /Sune Cheers, =46JP Some examples: http://identi.ca/notice/3281464 http://identi.ca/notice/3281436 --nextPart2301591.TPDXCXMdVQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. --nextPart2301591.TPDXCXMdVQ-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Twittering on planet.d.o?
(Luk BCCed to make sure he sees the thread.) It appears that today either Luk himself or someone else added a Status feed to planet.d.o with one-liner info messages about what Luk's up to. These messages have already started to annoy me as a) there are relatively a lot of them b) they don't really provide any information, or at least no context c) they are very simply not blog posts Although sending out such messages may be interesting to some, I also do not think they can be a replacement for proper announcements of changes in services or whatever. We have proper, official communication channels for that. (But that may not be the intention anyway.) Although I don't use Twitter myself, I understand that's a service that has been set up for such messages. Personally I'd like to see planet.d.o remain a pure blog aggregator. If people want to start a Debian twit service/channel/whatever, that's of course fine, but let's not mix dissimilar things in one service. Luk: what do you think yourself? What do others think? Cheers, FJP Some examples: http://identi.ca/notice/3281464 http://identi.ca/notice/3281436 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 09:58:29PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: Well I don't intend to tweet extensively, but only as a replacement for real blogging as I'm not up to writing long blog posts. Luk: what do you think yourself? I think having a very limited amount of tweets from people that do not write long blog posts is ok, though if it's not appreciated I'll remove my feed. Maybe it makes sense to enhance planet to collapse microblogging feeds into at most one item per day via some special-handling? Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
Le mardi 07 avril 2009 à 21:58 +0200, Luk Claes a écrit : I think having a very limited amount of tweets from people that do not write long blog posts is ok, though if it's not appreciated I'll remove my feed. Conceptually it’s not a bother, but it’s clear to me that Planet is not meant to handle such feeds correctly. Either Planet should be made to display them better, or another aggregation channel could be setup for microblogging. -- .''`. Debian 5.0 Lenny has been released! : :' : `. `' Last night, Darth Vader came down from planet Vulcan and told `-me that if you don't install Lenny, he'd melt your brain. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Luk Claes wrote: These messages have already started to annoy me as a) there are relatively a lot of them There are only a few per day maximum from me. If there were more that reached you today it's probably because it contained the whole feed up to now. I ignored the initial dump due to the addition of the feed of course. I'm mainly talking about the two you posted after you added the feed: 19:51 and 19:53. If that's the kind of thing we can expect, I really think it's inappropriate. Planet would very soon become totally unreadable if everyone (or even just a few active people) would start microblogging for e.g. ever package upload or he does. And that _is_ the level at which you are doing your microblogging. I suggest you remove the feed until there is some kind of proper support specifically for microblogging as suggested in other replies. TIA, FJP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07-04-2009 20:03, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mardi 07 avril 2009 à 21:58 +0200, Luk Claes a écrit : I think having a very limited amount of tweets from people that do not write long blog posts is ok, though if it's not appreciated I'll remove my feed. Conceptually it’s not a bother, but it’s clear to me that Planet is not meant to handle such feeds correctly. Either Planet should be made to display them better, or another aggregation channel could be setup for microblogging. There is already debianproject both in identi.ca and twitter that would work as something like a microblogging planet and of course there is twitter.debian.net (which seems to not be proper feeding identi.ca for a few days now). I was wondering if maybe people would be interested in microplanet.debian.org ? :-) Kind regards, - -- Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) Debian. Freedom to code. Code to freedom! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkncIdIACgkQCjAO0JDlykbZUACfXIc1v3BGwFXcvXtdabvNfOLR QNwAnRqB2YOMKBfXFjHGES+ypGaHfRWa =k3Uf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: I was wondering if maybe people would be interested in microplanet.debian.org ? moon.debian.org Or, perhaps, dwarfplanet.debian.org -- John H. Robinson, IV jaq...@debian.org http WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above, sbih.org ( )(:[ as apparently my cats have learned how to type. spiders.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:24 PM, John H. Robinson, IV jaq...@debian.org wrote: Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: I was wondering if maybe people would be interested in microplanet.debian.org ? moon.debian.org Or, perhaps, dwarfplanet.debian.org Or pluto.debian.org, not quite a planet, not quite a moon. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
