Re: Using corporate accounts when posting to Debian mailing lists
Le mercredi 11 mai 2011 23:10:49, Florian Weimer a écrit : I wonder if this is the result of corporate pressure, or if this is somehow encouraged by the de-facto list policy. Corporate policy. I'm asked not to use corporate e-mail address for open- source stuff. I do not kwow why there's such a policy... Dominique -- http://config-model.wiki.sourceforge.net/ -o- http://search.cpan.org/~ddumont/ http://www.ohloh.net/accounts/ddumont -o- http://ddumont.wordpress.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201105181142.42065.domi.dum...@free.fr
Re: Using corporate accounts when posting to Debian mailing lists
* Craig Small: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:10:49PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: I wonder if this is the result of corporate pressure, or if this is somehow encouraged by the de-facto list policy. You'll never find me using a corporate address. The IP and surveilence rules are just plain crazy these days and I'd rather have all my Debian or other Free Software email go to a nice sensible mutt reader than get tangled into the corporate exchange servers. In fact, my corporate email address has no hits in google. To clarify I bit, I was talking about using corporate addresses for dealing with corporate matters (i.e., when we use Debian at work). Those rules you refer to do not magically go away just because you use your personal mail account or some anonymous web mail service. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87k4drn97d@mid.deneb.enyo.de
Re: Using corporate accounts when posting to Debian mailing lists
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:10:49PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: This is mostly an etiquette question, and I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list to post to. It is an interesting topic. As a freelance consultant, my personal mail domain is the only domain that is going to stay. I have been working in more than ten places since I registered Zugschlus.de. Also, as a matter of privacy for my clients, I tend to use zugschlus.de as a mail address even when dealing with an issue that happened to surface at my current work place. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 72739834 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 3221 2323190 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110515204941.gc31...@torres.zugschlus.de
Re: Using corporate accounts when posting to Debian mailing lists
* MJ Ray: At least as I understand it (IANAL), English business emails should contain a signature with extended contact information (thanks to the Business Names Act, Companies Act, Distance Selling Regs and some other stuff that covers the gaps). That stems from a European directive on business letters, so it's a concern in Germany as well. The downside is that once you add such information to email, you might turn it into a business letter, which creates other issues (people need to be properly authorized to make such communication on the company's behalf, you need to arrange for long-term archival c c). That's why adding such a footer is somewhat controversial. That went on a bit too long. Why do you ask? I was just curious about proper etiquette. I'm still a bit worried that corporatelessness is implicitly requested by the community. Personally, I wouldn't want to see people using corporate mail on official announcement lists, and I suspect many of us feel similar, but it's not clear to me that this policy extends to other lists. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87tycvllh8@mid.deneb.enyo.de
Re: Using corporate accounts when posting to Debian mailing lists
On Sonntag, 15. Mai 2011, Florian Weimer wrote: I was just curious about proper etiquette. I'm still a bit worried that corporatelessness is implicitly requested by the community. I dont think corporatelessness in email addresses is requested by anyone. cheers, Holger -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201105160137.12053.hol...@layer-acht.org
Re: Using corporate accounts when posting to Debian mailing lists
Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de I've noticed that compared to, say, ten years ago, relatively few mailing list posters use corporate accounts (or accounts readily attributable to some larger organization). This phenomenon is not restricted to Debian mailing lists. If the sender's mailbox looks corporate (or the topic of the message involves stuff you usually do not run at home), most of the time, no mail signature with extended contact information (web, phone, fax) is used. I wonder if this is the result of corporate pressure, or if this is somehow encouraged by the de-facto list policy. At least as I understand it (IANAL), English business emails should contain a signature with extended contact information (thanks to the Business Names Act, Companies Act, Distance Selling Regs and some other stuff that covers the gaps). I am using a personal mailbox at our internet services consumer co-op. I am not using my business email address because most of the time those footer details would be noise and some list policies do frown on business addresses (crazy but true). Also, I don't have a generally compelling reason to pay for a dog (my personal ISP mailbox) and bark myself (by using my worker co-op mailbox for lists). I don't use my debian.org because I don't change config for each list and probably sometimes I cross the for private financial gain or for commercial purposes line in http://www.debian.org/devel/dmup (I'm not a rich guy and need to earn a living, you know?) although I don't send much about my business to debian lists. So, in summary: not corporate pressure and not debian's list policies but a reflection of local laws, and policies of other lists. That went on a bit too long. Why do you ask? Hope that helps, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. Webmaster, Debian Developer, Past Koha RM, statistician, former lecturer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire for various work through http://www.software.coop/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110512101556.9e7d39e...@nail.towers.org.uk
Re: Using corporate accounts when posting to Debian mailing lists
On 11/05/11 22:10, Florian Weimer wrote: This is mostly an etiquette question, and I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list to post to. I've noticed that compared to, say, ten years ago, relatively few mailing list posters use corporate accounts (or accounts readily attributable to some larger organization). This phenomenon is not restricted to Debian mailing lists. If the sender's mailbox looks corporate (or the topic of the message involves stuff you usually do not run at home), most of the time, no mail signature with extended contact information (web, phone, fax) is used. I wonder if this is the result of corporate pressure, or if this is somehow encouraged by the de-facto list policy. Hi, Florian. Well, I use my own UKFSN (UK Free Software network) email because the University of Aberdeen literally 'own' my 'corporate' email and I do not have the authority to express opinions about FLOSS that conflict with their 'corporate' policy of only using M$ Exchange for email ;-) Bye, Tony. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcbb9d8.50...@minke.ukfsn.org
Using corporate accounts when posting to Debian mailing lists
This is mostly an etiquette question, and I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list to post to. I've noticed that compared to, say, ten years ago, relatively few mailing list posters use corporate accounts (or accounts readily attributable to some larger organization). This phenomenon is not restricted to Debian mailing lists. If the sender's mailbox looks corporate (or the topic of the message involves stuff you usually do not run at home), most of the time, no mail signature with extended contact information (web, phone, fax) is used. I wonder if this is the result of corporate pressure, or if this is somehow encouraged by the de-facto list policy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ipthaqp2@mid.deneb.enyo.de
Re: Using corporate accounts when posting to Debian mailing lists
Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de writes: This is mostly an etiquette question, and I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list to post to. I've noticed that compared to, say, ten years ago, relatively few mailing list posters use corporate accounts (or accounts readily attributable to some larger organization). This phenomenon is not restricted to Debian mailing lists. If the sender's mailbox looks corporate (or the topic of the message involves stuff you usually do not run at home), most of the time, no mail signature with extended contact information (web, phone, fax) is used. I wonder if this is the result of corporate pressure, or if this is somehow encouraged by the de-facto list policy. I suspect it may just be that it's so much easier and so much more common now for one to have a personal mailbox that people are more inclined to use it and not have to deal with address changes when they change employers, or with any weirdness about employer e-mail accounts. There's also more awareness than there used to be about on-line identity and the advantages of having a persistant personal identity independent of one's employer (and the privacy concerns about advertising one's employer to the world all the time). Personally, while I use my Debian address for all Debian work, I use my Stanford University address for everything else on-line, but that's largely force of habit and a great deal of trust in my employer. Were I to start from scratch with on-line identity today, I'd use an eyrie.org address and a separate inbox, just as a matter of best practice. I wouldn't expect problems, but there's no need to invite possible trouble if one's relationship with one's employer goes south. Employers are legally permitted in the US to intercept and read all of an employee's e-mail sent to a work address, for example. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87k4dxvsnx@windlord.stanford.edu
Re: Using corporate accounts when posting to Debian mailing lists
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:10:49PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: I wonder if this is the result of corporate pressure, or if this is somehow encouraged by the de-facto list policy. You'll never find me using a corporate address. The IP and surveilence rules are just plain crazy these days and I'd rather have all my Debian or other Free Software email go to a nice sensible mutt reader than get tangled into the corporate exchange servers. In fact, my corporate email address has no hits in google. A few simple mutt hooks and I can use the debian.org email address for Debian related work. It's just a lot easier that way. I largely agree with what Russ said except in my case I do use my own domain because corporates get funny about email use. I've also had my own domain (and worked on Debian) far longer than I've stayed in one place. - Craig -- Craig Small VK2XLZhttp://www.enc.com.au/ csmall at : enc.com.au Debian GNU/Linux http://www.debian.org/ csmall at : debian.org GPG fingerprint: 1C1B D893 1418 2AF4 45EE 95CB C76C E5AC 12CA DFA5 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110511230717.gc25...@enc.com.au
