Re: Welcome to our 2010 Debian Google Summer of Code students!
[Steve Langasek] Although it seems this isn't actually non-free software, I find your response here inappropriate because it implies developers have no right to object to a GSoC project done in Debian's name that involves non-free software. Actually, it implies that there is a time for everything, and objecting to GSoC projects should be done while the project descriptions we offer are being drafted and before they are presented to students, and while student projects are being evaluated, not after the project have presented projects to students and students have accepted them. Happy hacking, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2flsk61bolr@login2.uio.no
Re: Welcome to our 2010 Debian Google Summer of Code students!
Hi, On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:12:55PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 26 avril 2010 à 21:40 +0200, Obey Arthur Liu a écrit : == Debian High Performance Computing on Clouds == by Dominique Belhachemi, mentored by Steffen Moeller The project paves a way to combine the demands in high performance computing with the dynamics of compute clouds with Debian. Combining the Eucalyptus cloud computing infrastructure with the TORQUE resource manager and preparing the components for dynamically added and removed instances provides the user with a attractive high performance computing environment. Such a system allows users to share resources with large compute centers with minimal changes in their workflow and scripts. Sorry but I have to object to a project that is based on non-free software. Especially when we have free and superior packages in the archive that provide similar functionality. Torque has now been accepted into main, so this issue is moot: http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/torque.html Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100509184543.gf12...@nighthawk.chemicalconnection.dyndns.org
Re: Welcome to our 2010 Debian Google Summer of Code students!
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 08:54:16AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Josselin Mouette] Sorry but I have to object to a project that is based on non-free software. Especially when we have free and superior packages in the archive that provide similar functionality. Objection noted, and it is of course accepted and understood that you do not help out with this project. I do on the other hand expect you to not create hurdles for the student to allow the student to be as productive as possible. Although it seems this isn't actually non-free software, I find your response here inappropriate because it implies developers have no right to object to a GSoC project done in Debian's name that involves non-free software. We absolutely do - I share Josselin's position that GSoC should never be used to benefit projects depending on non-free software in Debian's name. This runs counter to the shared values that define Debian itself, and would be a misappropriation of Debian's reputation. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Welcome to our 2010 Debian Google Summer of Code students!
[Josselin Mouette] Sorry but I have to object to a project that is based on non-free software. Especially when we have free and superior packages in the archive that provide similar functionality. Objection noted, and it is of course accepted and understood that you do not help out with this project. I do on the other hand expect you to not create hurdles for the student to allow the student to be as productive as possible. Happy hacking, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2flsk6hbd2f@login1.uio.no
Re: Welcome to our 2010 Debian Google Summer of Code students!
Le mardi 27 avril 2010 à 08:54 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen a écrit : Objection noted, and it is of course accepted and understood that you do not help out with this project. I do on the other hand expect you to not create hurdles for the student to allow the student to be as productive as possible. Argument noted. I will try to remember it the next time you report a bug against a package you do not maintain. Cheers, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “A handshake with whitnesses is the same `- as a signed contact.” -- Jörg Schilling -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1272352888.13500.1.ca...@meh
Re: Welcome to our 2010 Debian Google Summer of Code students!
Le lundi 26 avril 2010 à 21:40 +0200, Obey Arthur Liu a écrit : == Debian High Performance Computing on Clouds == by Dominique Belhachemi, mentored by Steffen Moeller The project paves a way to combine the demands in high performance computing with the dynamics of compute clouds with Debian. Combining the Eucalyptus cloud computing infrastructure with the TORQUE resource manager and preparing the components for dynamically added and removed instances provides the user with a attractive high performance computing environment. Such a system allows users to share resources with large compute centers with minimal changes in their workflow and scripts. Sorry but I have to object to a project that is based on non-free software. Especially when we have free and superior packages in the archive that provide similar functionality. Cheers, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “If you behave this way because you are blackmailed by someone, `-[…] I will see what I can do for you.” -- Jörg Schilling signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Welcome to our 2010 Debian Google Summer of Code students!
Le lundi 26 avril 2010 à 23:12 +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit : Le lundi 26 avril 2010 à 21:40 +0200, Obey Arthur Liu a écrit : == Debian High Performance Computing on Clouds == by Dominique Belhachemi, mentored by Steffen Moeller The project paves a way to combine the demands in high performance computing with the dynamics of compute clouds with Debian. Combining the Eucalyptus cloud computing infrastructure with the TORQUE resource manager and preparing the components for dynamically added and removed instances provides the user with a attractive high performance computing environment. Such a system allows users to share resources with large compute centers with minimal changes in their workflow and scripts. Sorry but I have to object to a project that is based on non-free software. Especially when we have free and superior packages in the archive that provide similar functionality. Michael Bank just explained to me privately that the Torque license is actually more free than it used to be. And while it has very obnoxious restrictions, it sounds like something that could be accepted in main. So provided that the FTP masters give their approval to it, I will have to retract that objection. That said, I retain my stance on the technical superiority of other software (like slurm-llnl) over torque. I don’t see anything in the proposal that justifies using a software which is a bit outdated and with a blurry license per se - but if the student knows it better, it also makes sense. Cheers, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “If you behave this way because you are blackmailed by someone, `-[…] I will see what I can do for you.” -- Jörg Schilling signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Welcome to our 2010 Debian Google Summer of Code students!
On 04/26/2010 11:12 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 26 avril 2010 à 21:40 +0200, Obey Arthur Liu a écrit : == Debian High Performance Computing on Clouds == by Dominique Belhachemi, mentored by Steffen Moeller The project paves a way to combine the demands in high performance computing with the dynamics of compute clouds with Debian. Combining the Eucalyptus cloud computing infrastructure with the TORQUE resource manager and preparing the components for dynamically added and removed instances provides the user with a attractive high performance computing environment. Such a system allows users to share resources with large compute centers with minimal changes in their workflow and scripts. Sorry but I have to object to a project that is based on non-free software. Especially when we have free and superior packages in the archive that provide similar functionality. You are probably refering to Torque. I had some difficulties about their license but finally came to the conclusion that it is actually DFSG compatible. The respective upload is overdue, I admit. If there is something you see the need to be discussed, then feel free to do so. Torque to me is something that I feel comfortable with. It could also be Sun Grid Engine or something else. If we are successful then we have learned and documented enough to become fairly flexible with the batch system to use. Steffen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bd61b67.9070...@gmx.de
