Re: debian cd-image mirrors and US export restrictions
Am Mittwoch, 6. November 2002 04:13 schrieb Peter Palfrader: On Tue, 05 Nov 2002, Andrew Lau wrote: On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 11:32:15PM +0100, Harald K. wrote: In contrast to the package servers, the debian cd image mirrors are not separated according to this circumstances. Also the ones located in the US are containing the non-us variant of the first iso image. I dont understand why the US exports regulations seems to have no influence on the distributing of the cd images, which contain US sensitive software packages. If anyone has an idea on this topic, I would be gratefull for any remark. Since last year, the US export restrictions have been lifted Andrea, I think the OP's was asking why US mirrors offer the non-US ISO image for download. Harald, did I misunderstand you? yours, peter Hi Peter, no you didn't misunderstand me. Indeed, this was the question I hoped to get answered, but the things Andrew told me, have also helped to solve the problem I had, but from another more backgrond point of view. But of course I would be glad, if someone could tell me, why some of the US based mirrors found on http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ offer the non-US ISO image, thought they theoretically were not allowed to do so, at least before the law in the US was changed. So I wonder, if the debian project could be made responsible for refering to these mirrors. Regards, Harald
Re: debian cd-image mirrors and US export restrictions
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 11:32:15PM +0100, Harald K. wrote: The hundred of mirrors containing the debian packages are clearly separated into those, which are located in the US, and those, which are not, because of the non-us tree, they are containing packages from. In contrast to the package servers, the debian cd image mirrors are not separated according to this circumstances. Also the ones located in the US are containing the non-us variant of the first iso image. I dont understand why the US exports regulations seems to have no influence on the distributing of the cd images, which contain US sensitive software packages. If anyone has an idea on this topic, I would be gratefull for any remark. The regulations certainly still apply. We differentiate them with fairly obvious difference in the file names: the first CD image that has non-US stuff has _NONUS in the name, so it's easy to rsync --exclude=*_NONUS* when mirroring them. Also, the debian/ vs. debian-non-US/ split much predates this special non-US CD image, which was made in the modern times, when the export regulations for non-US/main software are being lifted, so nobody wanted to do any more effort to split these two. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: debian cd-image mirrors and US export restrictions
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 11:32:15PM +0100, Harald K. wrote: In contrast to the package servers, the debian cd image mirrors are not separated according to this circumstances. Also the ones located in the US are containing the non-us variant of the first iso image. I dont understand why the US exports regulations seems to have no influence on the distributing of the cd images, which contain US sensitive software packages. If anyone has an idea on this topic, I would be gratefull for any remark. Dear Harald, Since last year, the US export restrictions have been lifted to an extent that we can now distribute cryptography programs from within the US (though legally, we're not supposed to let members of the 'axis that Bush hates' download them). The full legal details are in http://www.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain non-US is still around because some maintainers haven't updated their packages to reflect these changes in the law. If you haven't noticed non-US/main in unstable is getting smaller and smaller and it will eventually disappear unless: 1. The Bush administration revives those stupid unenforcable laws. 2. Debian starts to distribute programs that are illegal under the DMCA (eg. DeCSS). Personally, I don't know what progess debian-legal has made with that issue. Yours sincerely, Andrew Netsnipe Lau -- --- * Andrew 'Netsnipe' Lau Computer Science Sturep, UNSW * * apt-get into itDebian GNU/Linux Packager* * netsnipe(+)debianplanet.org\0 alau(+)cse.unsw.edu.au\0 * * GnuPG 1024D/2E8B68BD 0B77 73D0 4F3B F286 63F1 9F4A 9B24 C07D 2E8B 68BD * --- pgp5jZnAAIRYP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian cd-image mirrors and US export restrictions
On Tue, 05 Nov 2002, Andrew Lau wrote: On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 11:32:15PM +0100, Harald K. wrote: In contrast to the package servers, the debian cd image mirrors are not separated according to this circumstances. Also the ones located in the US are containing the non-us variant of the first iso image. I dont understand why the US exports regulations seems to have no influence on the distributing of the cd images, which contain US sensitive software packages. If anyone has an idea on this topic, I would be gratefull for any remark. Since last year, the US export restrictions have been lifted Andrea, I think the OP's was asking why US mirrors offer the non-US ISO image for download. Harald, did I misunderstand you? yours, peter -- PGP signed and encrypted | .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** messages preferred.| : :' : The universal | `. `' Operating System http://www.palfrader.org/ | `-http://www.debian.org/ pgpkoJTtBZwDv.pgp Description: PGP signature
debian cd-image mirrors and US export restrictions
Hi for several weeks now I am dealing with the different methods of downloading the official cd images of the debian distribution. The hundred of mirrors containing the debian packages are clearly separated into those, which are located in the US, and those, which are not, because of the non-us tree, they are containing packages from. In contrast to the package servers, the debian cd image mirrors are not separated according to this circumstances. Also the ones located in the US are containing the non-us variant of the first iso image. I dont understand why the US exports regulations seems to have no influence on the distributing of the cd images, which contain US sensitive software packages. If anyone has an idea on this topic, I would be gratefull for any remark. Regards, Harald Katzer PS.: Please indulge my possibly bad English and spelling mistakes!
