Re: public stats about posts in -private

[Russ Allbery]

Daniel Pocock  writes:
> On 20/07/16 03:46, Gunnar Wolf wrote:

>> As one of the people who track retirement messages (as keyring-maint
>> often does the first steps of the retirement process, and pass the
>> ticket on to other groups later on), I agree with Jonathan. By far, the
>> most often cited reason is "I have no time nor motivation to do this
>> properly anymore" or some variation on it. Real (that is, analyzable)
>> reasons are almost never even mentioned.

> I would agree that is one of the things that could be summarized.
> Sometimes people also mention family reasons or changes in employment.

> Maybe such insights aren't very dramatic but even that much hasn't been
> stated publicly before because those emails are sent on debian-private.

Except it has.  Every time this topic comes up, and it has several times
before, someone says publicly just what Gunnar said above.

I'm quite dubious anything more formal is going to add additional value.

> It could also be interesting to ask people who retire to complete a
> small survey with the stats becoming public.

This is one of the practices that I *detest* when companies do it to me,
and which leaves me with a bad final impression of that organization, so
let's not.  We already have enough (necessary) bureaucracy in our exit
process to properly deal with authentication.

"I no longer have the time or energy for Debian."  "Great, could you fill
out this survey about Debian?"

-- 
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)   

Re: public stats about posts in -private

[Daniel Pocock]

On 20/07/16 03:46, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Daniel Pocock dijo [Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 09:36:52PM +0200]:
>>> On 2016-07-18 18:21, Daniel Pocock wrote:
 There are some things on -private that could be summarized with
 statistics publicly, e.g. the reasons people give when they retire from
 the project (X% cited reason A, Y% cited reason B, ...)

 Is there any consensus on whether deriving anonymous statistics from
 debian-private is acceptable?
>>>
>>> Acceptable, perhaps, but almost certainly not worth anybody's actual time.
>>
>> Comments people make about reasons for retiring could provide meaningful
>> background data when considering the impact of future decisions.
> 
> As one of the people who track retirement messages (as keyring-maint
> often does the first steps of the retirement process, and pass the
> ticket on to other groups later on), I agree with Jonathan. By far,
> the most often cited reason is "I have no time nor motivation to do
> this properly anymore" or some variation on it. Real (that is,
> analyzable) reasons are almost never even mentioned.
> 


I would agree that is one of the things that could be summarized.
Sometimes people also mention family reasons or changes in employment.

Maybe such insights aren't very dramatic but even that much hasn't been
stated publicly before because those emails are sent on debian-private.

It could also be interesting to ask people who retire to complete a
small survey with the stats becoming public.

Re: public stats about posts in -private

[Daniel Pocock]

On 18/07/16 21:22, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> On 2016-07-18 18:21, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> There are some things on -private that could be summarized with
>> statistics publicly, e.g. the reasons people give when they retire from
>> the project (X% cited reason A, Y% cited reason B, ...)
>>
>> Is there any consensus on whether deriving anonymous statistics from
>> debian-private is acceptable?
> 
> Acceptable, perhaps, but almost certainly not worth anybody's actual time.
> 
> 

Comments people make about reasons for retiring could provide meaningful
background data when considering the impact of future decisions.

Re: public stats about posts in -private

[Jonathan Wiltshire]

On 2016-07-18 18:21, Daniel Pocock wrote:

There are some things on -private that could be summarized with
statistics publicly, e.g. the reasons people give when they retire from
the project (X% cited reason A, Y% cited reason B, ...)

Is there any consensus on whether deriving anonymous statistics from
debian-private is acceptable?


Acceptable, perhaps, but almost certainly not worth anybody's actual 
time.



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public stats about posts in -private

[Daniel Pocock]

There are some things on -private that could be summarized with
statistics publicly, e.g. the reasons people give when they retire from
the project (X% cited reason A, Y% cited reason B, ...)

Is there any consensus on whether deriving anonymous statistics from
debian-private is acceptable?

Regards,

Daniel