Re: gob2_2.0.16-3_amd64.changes ACCEPTED

2010-04-28 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 08:11:06PM -0500, Raphael Geissert wrote:

 From the changelog: 
 * Orphan package.

 Right, but orphaned packages are _not_ set to this discussion ML.

Thanks for your helpful response!

 Even running lintian on the package you uploaded points you to the right 
 direction:

...

 If tools are written for the purpose of catching mistakes (and bugs) 
 beforehand *please use them*. Thanks.

I'm orphaning the package.  What part of that makes you think I'm going
to be interested in fixing random lintian warnings?


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Re: gob2_2.0.16-3_amd64.changes ACCEPTED

2010-04-28 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Mark Brown broo...@sirena.org.uk (28/04/2010):
 I'm orphaning the package.  What part of that makes you think I'm
 going to be interested in fixing random lintian warnings?

Random lintian warnings (and errors) like the ones you're generating
by orphaning the package in an improper manner? If you're not used to
that process, you probably should have even more reasons to use that
tool and fix those things.

Mraw,
KiBi.


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Re: gob2_2.0.16-3_amd64.changes ACCEPTED

2010-04-28 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:01:22PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
 Mark Brown broo...@sirena.org.uk (28/04/2010):
  I'm orphaning the package.  What part of that makes you think I'm
  going to be interested in fixing random lintian warnings?

 Random lintian warnings (and errors) like the ones you're generating
 by orphaning the package in an improper manner? If you're not used to
 that process, you probably should have even more reasons to use that
 tool and fix those things.

*sigh*  Lintian just isn't the right tool for this job, the sort of
random things that lintian identifies just aren't interesting for an
upload like this.


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Re: gob2_2.0.16-3_amd64.changes ACCEPTED

2010-04-28 Thread Jan Hauke Rahm
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:29:20AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:01:22PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
  Mark Brown broo...@sirena.org.uk (28/04/2010):
   I'm orphaning the package.  What part of that makes you think I'm
   going to be interested in fixing random lintian warnings?
 
  Random lintian warnings (and errors) like the ones you're generating
  by orphaning the package in an improper manner? If you're not used to
  that process, you probably should have even more reasons to use that
  tool and fix those things.
 
 *sigh*  Lintian just isn't the right tool for this job, the sort of
 random things that lintian identifies just aren't interesting for an
 upload like this.

An upload like this isn't the right thing to do to orphan a package.
Filing an O bug is enough. If you upload a package, it has to be
technically sane -- independent of your particular interest in that
package. And for that lintian tests are very well interesting.

Hauke

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Re: gob2_2.0.16-3_amd64.changes ACCEPTED

2010-04-28 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 03:10:34PM +0200, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:29:20AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:

  *sigh*  Lintian just isn't the right tool for this job, the sort of
  random things that lintian identifies just aren't interesting for an
  upload like this.

 An upload like this isn't the right thing to do to orphan a package.
 Filing an O bug is enough. If you upload a package, it has to be
 technically sane -- independent of your particular interest in that
 package. And for that lintian tests are very well interesting.

Look, I'm not saying that there's no problem with the upload here.  What 
I'm saying is that an e-mail such as that which was sent originally sent
tended rather to the hostile and appears to have unrealistic expectation
as to the sort of work that a maintainer is going to do when orphaning a
package.  The package was basically sane before this upload, if anything
meaningful had changed lintian-wise there's very little chance that it'd
get looked at in an upload that's all about indicating a lack of interest
in the package so there's very little reason to run lintian on it.

A simple mail saying Hey, you made a mistake would have been much more
constructive.


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Re: gob2_2.0.16-3_amd64.changes ACCEPTED

2010-04-28 Thread Raphael Geissert
Mark Brown wrote:
 Look, I'm not saying that there's no problem with the upload here.  What
 I'm saying is that an e-mail such as that which was sent originally sent
 tended rather to the hostile and appears to have unrealistic expectation
 as to the sort of work that a maintainer is going to do when orphaning a
 package.

You are right. I could have written my email in a much better way.
I apologise for that.

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Re: gob2_2.0.16-3_amd64.changes ACCEPTED

2010-04-27 Thread Raphael Geissert
Hi Mark,

Archive Administrator wrote:
 
 Accepted:
 gob2_2.0.16-3.debian.tar.gz
   to main/g/gob2/gob2_2.0.16-3.debian.tar.gz
 gob2_2.0.16-3.dsc
   to main/g/gob2/gob2_2.0.16-3.dsc
 gob2_2.0.16-3_amd64.deb
   to main/g/gob2/gob2_2.0.16-3_amd64.deb
 
 
 Override entries for your package:
 gob2_2.0.16-3.dsc - source devel
 gob2_2.0.16-3_amd64.deb - extra devel
 
 Announcing to debian-devel-chan...@lists.debian.org

From the changelog: 
* Orphan package.

Right, but orphaned packages are _not_ set to this discussion ML.

A quick look at the devref or at any of the over 436 orphaned packages would 
have told you the correct address.
Even running lintian on the package you uploaded points you to the right 
direction:

$ lintian gob2_2.0.16-3.dsc
W: gob2 source: _changelog-should-mention-nmu_
W: gob2 source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 2.0.16-3
W: gob2 source: debhelper-but-no-misc-depends gob2
W: gob2 source: package-uses-deprecated-debhelper-compat-version 4
E: gob2 source: *wrong-debian-qa-address-set-as-maintainer* Debian QA 
debian-qa@lists.debian.org
W: gob2 source: _no-human-maintainers_
W: gob2 source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.8.2 (current is 3.8.4)

$ lintian-info -t wrong-debian-qa-address-set-as-maintainer
N: wrong-debian-qa-address-set-as-maintainer
N:
N:   Orphaned packages should no longer have the address
N:   debian-qa@lists.debian.org in the Maintainer field.
N:
N:   The correct Maintainer field for orphaned packages is Debian QA Group
N:   packa...@qa.debian.org.
N:
N:   Refer to Debian Developer's Reference section 5.9.4 (Orphaning a
N:   package) for details.
N:
N:   Severity: important, Certainty: certain
N:


If tools are written for the purpose of catching mistakes (and bugs) 
beforehand *please use them*. Thanks.

Kind regards,
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