lesstif2 to motif transition

2013-05-06 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi release team,

I like to get your opinion and advise on the following.

Motif has been released with a free license last year, and I would like
to move it from non-free (called openmotif) to Debian main. Its former
free replacement lesstif2 is unsupported upstream and should be retired
(in Debian), as its goal has been reached: a free motif.

Openmotif (which we want to rename to motif) is currently in non-free
and due to a bug in dak it needs to be removed from unstable to let it
into main, which makes it less suitable to test this in experimental (as
it would leave unstable without (open-)motif).

Motif and lesstif2 build the same libraries, albeit with different
sonames, so the libraries can coexist. The -dev packages and auxiliary
packages cannot coexist as file names are shared (lesstif2 was meant as
drop in (binary compatible) replacement). According to policy (2.5) no
two packages may be in the section optional or higher if they conflict,
and packages can not depend on a package of a lower priority. So
strictly speaking motif could not take over unless we can ignore this
rule of policy during the transition.

We have not started talking to the maintainers of packages depending on
lesstif2 (other than a message to d-devel [1]), as I wanted to have the
way clear before that. Graham Inggs has tested building all the reverse
dependencies [2], though.

So my question basically is, what would be the most appropriate order to
do things?

My proposal would be (with your approval) to just get motif into
unstable/main and start converting the dependencies with the help of
their maintainers (the libraries can coexist). Because the -dev package
name has to change all build dependencies would have to get a
source-full update. I would have liked to stage everything in
experimental, but due to this (quoted from ftp-master) nasty dak bug,
that would leave unstable (non-free) without (open-)motif.

Paul

[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/12/msg00369.html
[2] https://launchpad.net/~ginggs/+archive/motif




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Re: lesstif2 to motif transition

2013-05-06 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi Graham,

On 06-05-13 23:01, Paul Gevers wrote:
 My proposal would be (with your approval) to just get motif into
 unstable/main and start converting the dependencies with the help of
 their maintainers (the libraries can coexist). Because the -dev package
 name has to change all build dependencies would have to get a
 source-full update. I would have liked to stage everything in
 experimental, but due to this (quoted from ftp-master) nasty dak bug,
 that would leave unstable (non-free) without (open-)motif.

I was thinking, how well did it go with your building of all reverse
dependencies, and how well would it work if lesstif2-dev would be a
transitional package that depends on libmotif-dev? If that would work at
all, I think that is a good alternative to my proposal above.

Paul



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