Bug#582844: Fwd: Re: Bug#582844: unusable KNetAttach launcher
Sorry, I forgot to post a copy to everybody... Messaggio originale Oggetto:Re: Bug#582844: unusable KNetAttach launcher Data: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 22:51:32 +0200 Mittente: Carlo Stemberger A: Modestas Vainius Il 17/06/2010 21:53, Modestas Vainius ha scritto: On ketvirtadienis 17 Birželis 2010 20:24:13 Carlo Stemberger wrote: Il 17/06/2010 19:12, Modestas Vainius ha scritto: That's wrong. Executable is simply not in PATH. Use full path to run it. but it's not the same... a KDE user can start the program by clicking the icon; a * user has to type the full path into a terminal. Why this discrimination? Because knetattach IS KDE specific, isn't? Do you think a DE can't have desktop specific applications or otherwise it is a discrimination? I think this is a Debian package, as first item, and Debian is the universal OS, isn't it? I don't understand this point: why kdebase-runtime needs KNetAttach? IIRC, Sune explained this to you earlier. Basically, KDE apps can assume everything from kdebase-runtime is installed and knetattach is part of kdebase-runtime. We are nowhere ready to split kdebase-runtime on the distro level without upstream support. Ok, thanks -- .' `. | Registered Linux User #443882 |a_a | | http://counter.li.org/ .''`. \<_)__/ +--- : :' : /( )\ ---+ `. `'` |\`> < /\ Registered Debian User #9 | `- \_|=='|_/ http://debiancounter.altervista.org/ | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c1a99f5.3040...@gmail.com
Bug#582844: unusable KNetAttach launcher
Hello, On ketvirtadienis 17 Birželis 2010 20:24:13 Carlo Stemberger wrote: > Il 17/06/2010 19:12, Modestas Vainius ha scritto: > > That's wrong. Executable is simply not in PATH. Use full path to run it. > > but it's not the same... a KDE user can start the program by clicking > the icon; a * user has to type the full path into a terminal. Why this > discrimination? Because knetattach IS KDE specific, isn't? Do you think a DE can't have desktop specific applications or otherwise it is a discrimination? > > > And > > your request is harmful. > > Why? Circular dependency is a bug. > > and kdebase-runtime > > needs KNetAttach so it's a circular dependency with no benefit. > > I don't understand this point: why kdebase-runtime needs KNetAttach? IIRC, Sune explained this to you earlier. Basically, KDE apps can assume everything from kdebase-runtime is installed and knetattach is part of kdebase-runtime. We are nowhere ready to split kdebase-runtime on the distro level without upstream support. -- Modestas Vainius signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Bug#582844: unusable KNetAttach launcher
Il 17/06/2010 19:12, Modestas Vainius ha scritto: That's wrong. Executable is simply not in PATH. Use full path to run it. but it's not the same... a KDE user can start the program by clicking the icon; a * user has to type the full path into a terminal. Why this discrimination? And your request is harmful. Why? KNetAttach needs kdebase-runtime Ok. and kdebase-runtime needs KNetAttach so it's a circular dependency with no benefit. I don't understand this point: why kdebase-runtime needs KNetAttach? -- .' `. | Registered Linux User #443882 |a_a | | http://counter.li.org/ .''`. \<_)__/ +--- : :' : /( )\ ---+ `. `'` |\`> < /\ Registered Debian User #9 | `- \_|=='|_/ http://debiancounter.altervista.org/ | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c1a5a3d.2060...@gmail.com
Re: Bug#582844: unusable KNetAttach launcher
Hello, On ketvirtadienis 17 Birželis 2010 14:32:53 Carlo Stemberger wrote: > PS. > I don't like this solution because now a Gnome/XFCE/LXDE/... user can't > use KNetAttach without patching the package. That's wrong. Executable is simply not in PATH. Use full path to run it. And your request is harmful. KNetAttach needs kdebase-runtime and kdebase-runtime needs KNetAttach so it's a circular dependency with no benefit. -- Modestas Vainius signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Bug#582844: unusable KNetAttach launcher
Hello, On ketvirtadienis 17 Birželis 2010 18:31:15 John Lindgren wrote: > On 06/17/2010 08:09 AM, Sune Vuorela wrote: > > On Thursday 17 June 2010 13:30:00 Carlo Stemberger wrote: > >> Il 16/06/2010 16:19, John Lindgren ha scritto: > >>> I still think KNetAttach should not be needed as a dependency of a > >>> code profiling program such as KCachegrind, but hey, that's why I > >>> don't use KDE. :) > >> > >> I agree... Why programs as KHangMan or KTuberling need KNetAttach? > >> > >> I don't like this solution; I'd rather > >> 1) split KNetAttach into a new package, and > > > > Just to be sure, you want a 52kb executable split out because you don't > > want it around, while still pulling in several megabytes of other > > things? > > I would be quite happy if you cut off several megabytes of dependencies. > Currently, Aptitude promises to free 203 MB of disk space if I remove > KCachegrind. That's far too many dependencies for a single program if > you ask me, even if it is meant for a particular desktop environment. KDE is bloated but that's hardly news. And it is offtopic for this bug report and I believe there should be another one about this "issue". -- Modestas Vainius signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#582844: unusable KNetAttach launcher
On 06/17/2010 08:09 AM, Sune Vuorela wrote: On Thursday 17 June 2010 13:30:00 Carlo Stemberger wrote: Il 16/06/2010 16:19, John Lindgren ha scritto: I still think KNetAttach should not be needed as a dependency of a code profiling program such as KCachegrind, but hey, that's why I don't use KDE. :) I agree... Why programs as KHangMan or KTuberling need KNetAttach? I don't like this solution; I'd rather 1) split KNetAttach into a new package, and Just to be sure, you want a 52kb executable split out because you don't want it around, while still pulling in several megabytes of other things? I would be quite happy if you cut off several megabytes of dependencies. Currently, Aptitude promises to free 203 MB of disk space if I remove KCachegrind. That's far too many dependencies for a single program if you ask me, even if it is meant for a particular desktop environment. -- John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c1a3fc3.9050...@tds.net
Re: Bug#582844: unusable KNetAttach launcher
On Thursday, 2010-06-17, Carlo Stemberger wrote: > Il 17/06/2010 14:09, Sune Vuorela ha scritto: > > Just to be sure, you want a 52kb executable split out because you don't > > want it around > > Mmm... yes :D > > For me it's not important the program size, while the cleanness. Just to get this right: the additional cleanness of maybe two files less in the very rare case that you don't have a single program with file Open/Save functionality? Cheers, Kevin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#582844: unusable KNetAttach launcher
Il 17/06/2010 14:09, Sune Vuorela ha scritto: Just to be sure, you want a 52kb executable split out because you don't want it around Mmm... yes :D For me it's not important the program size, while the cleanness. -- .' `. | Registered Linux User #443882 |a_a | | http://counter.li.org/ .''`. \<_)__/ +--- : :' : /( )\ ---+ `. `'` |\`> < /\ Registered Debian User #9 | `- \_|=='|_/ http://debiancounter.altervista.org/ | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c1a16e0.8080...@gmail.com
Bug#582844: unusable KNetAttach launcher
On Thursday 17 June 2010 13:30:00 Carlo Stemberger wrote: > Il 16/06/2010 16:19, John Lindgren ha scritto: > > I still think KNetAttach should not be needed as a dependency of a > > code profiling program such as KCachegrind, but hey, that's why I > > don't use KDE. :) > > I agree... Why programs as KHangMan or KTuberling need KNetAttach? > > I don't like this solution; I'd rather > 1) split KNetAttach into a new package, and Just to be sure, you want a 52kb executable split out because you don't want it around, while still pulling in several megabytes of other things? /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201006171409.53967.s...@debian.org
Bug#582844: unusable KNetAttach launcher
PS. I don't like this solution because now a Gnome/XFCE/LXDE/... user can't use KNetAttach without patching the package. -- .' `. | Registered Linux User #443882 |a_a | | http://counter.li.org/ .''`. \<_)__/ +--- : :' : /( )\ ---+ `. `'` |\`> < /\ Registered Debian User #9 | `- \_|=='|_/ http://debiancounter.altervista.org/ | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c1a07e5.9090...@gmail.com
Bug#582844: unusable KNetAttach launcher
Il 16/06/2010 16:19, John Lindgren ha scritto: I still think KNetAttach should not be needed as a dependency of a code profiling program such as KCachegrind, but hey, that's why I don't use KDE. :) I agree... Why programs as KHangMan or KTuberling need KNetAttach? I don't like this solution; I'd rather 1) split KNetAttach into a new package, and 2a) put Exec=/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/knetattach into the .desktop file, or 2b) change the path, or 3c) add a symlink from a standard path included in $PATH to /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/knetattach In any case I'm not a KDE user, so do what you prefer :) Ciao! Carlo -- .' `. | Registered Linux User #443882 |a_a | | http://counter.li.org/ .''`. \<_)__/ +--- : :' : /( )\ ---+ `. `'` |\`> < /\ Registered Debian User #9 | `- \_|=='|_/ http://debiancounter.altervista.org/ | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c1a0738.3000...@gmail.com
Bug#582844: unusable KNetAttach launcher
On 06/16/2010 08:38 AM, Sune Vuorela wrote: > ... kdebase-runtime contains stuff that any kde app can expect to have around. So no. I have added OnlyShowIn=KDE; to the desktop file, so that it is only shown in KDE. I will mark this bug as fixed with that upload That works. I still think KNetAttach should not be needed as a dependency of a code profiling program such as KCachegrind, but hey, that's why I don't use KDE. :) -- John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c18dd6f.9030...@tds.net
