Re: kde wallet services (kwallet)
Adding kwallet to subject line as I searched for this initially and didn´t find the post again. Am Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2016, 19:38:39 CEST schrieb Martin Steigerwald: > On Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2016 19:11:19 CEST Tom wrote: > > > On Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2016 00:28:37 CEST Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > > On Dienstag, 14. Juni 2016 22:18:01 CEST Tom Zander wrote: > > > […] > > > > > > > > I was wondering if there is any ideas on how to solve the utter > > > > > brokenness > > > > > of the wallet services on Debian Stretch right now. > > > > > > > > > > Before freeze (the way it looks now) I'd suggest removing the kde5 > > > > > walletmanager and shipping the kde4 one by default and compiling > > > > > kde5 > > > > > without the wallet subsystem. > > > > > > > > Stretch will have KF 5/Plasma 5 based Kontact + Dolphin. > > > > When I talked about konqueror I meant kio and while I did notice the post > > about khtml, its about a broader issue of many kio handlers like sftp > > sites, webdav and indeed khtml. > > Sorry for not being clearer before. > > khtml is also already available in KF5 version as well as most if not all > kio's I think. And I have known wrong about this. Konqueror is indeed KDE SC / kdelibs4 based, even in 16.04 version. Still. I ask about this in kde distributions list. So this is really an issue. Some additional background information about this kwallet5 thing and migration is in KWallet for Plasma 5 now automatically migrates KDE4 wallets! 13 July 2014 Valentin 11 Comments https://barlog.rusu.info/valentin/blog/?p=300 and KDE4/KF5 Coinstalability and the KWallet 8 April 2015 Valentin 4 Comments https://barlog.rusu.info/valentin/blog/?p=395 Thanks, -- Martin
Re: kde wallet services
On Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2016 19:11:19 CEST Tom wrote: > > On Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2016 00:28:37 CEST Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > On Dienstag, 14. Juni 2016 22:18:01 CEST Tom Zander wrote: > > […] > > > > > > I was wondering if there is any ideas on how to solve the utter > > > > brokenness > > > > of the wallet services on Debian Stretch right now. > > > > > > > > Before freeze (the way it looks now) I'd suggest removing the kde5 > > > > walletmanager and shipping the kde4 one by default and compiling kde5 > > > > without the wallet subsystem. > > > > > > Stretch will have KF 5/Plasma 5 based Kontact + Dolphin. > > When I talked about konqueror I meant kio and while I did notice the post > about khtml, its about a broader issue of many kio handlers like sftp sites, > webdav and indeed khtml. > Sorry for not being clearer before. khtml is also already available in KF5 version as well as most if not all kio's I think. > > > > Just in case this is not a known issue; > > > > if you run kde4 based apps, like konqueror or kontact, they use a > > > > wallet > > > > that is not supported and not visible in the kde5 based kcm. > > > > > > Dolphin in unstable is KF 5 / Qt 5 based already. KDEPIM + Akonadi in > > > experimental, soon in unstable I bet, too. > > I only use konq once a year or so. Specifically for its embedding. For > example if you have a large dir with (text) files and you want to click on > each file and show the contents in a split view on the right side without > any windows opening or closing. Dolphin has split view, although not as flexible as Konqueror. > In the meantime I wonder if you managed to store a single password in your > kde5 based wallet yet. For instance your wifi password. I have so far not > succeeded. Just creating a new wallet doesn't even work from the kcm. > Not sure if thats a packaging issue, a local issue, or an upstream issue. Sure, I use it day in and out. Please use the user support mailinglist debian-kde for questions like that. Lets focus on the development related questions here. Thank you, -- Martin
Re: Re: kde wallet services
> On Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2016 00:28:37 CEST Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > On Dienstag, 14. Juni 2016 22:18:01 CEST Tom Zander wrote: > […] > > > > I was wondering if there is any ideas on how to solve the utter > > > brokenness > > > of the wallet services on Debian Stretch right now. > > > > > > Before freeze (the way it looks now) I'd suggest removing the kde5 > > > walletmanager and shipping the kde4 one by default and compiling kde5 > > > without the wallet subsystem. > > > > Stretch will have KF 5/Plasma 5 based Kontact + Dolphin. When I talked about konqueror I meant kio and while I did notice the post about khtml, its about a broader issue of many kio handlers like sftp sites, webdav and indeed khtml. Sorry for not being clearer before. > There are two other possible approaches to this, which can make sense > depending on how many Qt4 based applications using KWallet could not be > replaced in time for Stretch: > > 1) Installing kwalletmanager for KDE 4 along side. Fedora did it this way. > It has the disadvantage tough having two versions of wallets with diverging > content. I agree thats a not so great solution, but I hope you agree that its better to have two wallet manager UIs available if we end up with two wallet systems. Or, in other words, if the unfortunate event happens that there are apps in the main debian repos linking against the wallet libraries from kdelibs4, I would like to suggest that packaging the old walletmanager would be non-optional. > > > Just in case this is not a known issue; > > > if you run kde4 based apps, like konqueror or kontact, they use a wallet > > > that is not supported and not visible in the kde5 based kcm. > > > > Dolphin in unstable is KF 5 / Qt 5 based already. KDEPIM + Akonadi in > > experimental, soon in unstable I bet, too. I only use konq once a year or so. Specifically for its embedding. For example if you have a large dir with (text) files and you want to click on each file and show the contents in a split view on the right side without any windows opening or closing. I agree its too unique a usecase to put sufficient time into packaging kde4 libs and all that stuff, but I just wanted to make sure you realize that konqueror as a webbrowser is not really its sole usecase. It is the hacker- friendly version of dolphin, in my opinion :) In the meantime I wonder if you managed to store a single password in your kde5 based wallet yet. For instance your wifi password. I have so far not succeeded. Just creating a new wallet doesn't even work from the kcm. Not sure if thats a packaging issue, a local issue, or an upstream issue. Thanks! -- Tom Zander
Re: kde wallet services
On Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2016 00:28:37 CEST Martin Steigerwald wrote: > On Dienstag, 14. Juni 2016 22:18:01 CEST Tom Zander wrote: […] > > I was wondering if there is any ideas on how to solve the utter brokenness > > of the wallet services on Debian Stretch right now. > > > > Before freeze (the way it looks now) I'd suggest removing the kde5 > > walletmanager and shipping the kde4 one by default and compiling kde5 > > without the wallet subsystem. > > Stretch will have KF 5/Plasma 5 based Kontact + Dolphin. > > So the other way around is more likely. As far as I heard the intention is > to have most apps available in KF 5 / Qt 5 variants. I have already seen KF > 5 / Qt 5 uploads of kde extras apps like Kaffeine, smplayer and others. > Amarok, Krita, Digikam, KMyMoney still missing. I am not sure about Amarok, > but I think the others will be ready for packaging in time. There are two other possible approaches to this, which can make sense depending on how many Qt4 based applications using KWallet could not be replaced in time for Stretch: 1) Installing kwalletmanager for KDE 4 along side. Fedora did it this way. It has the disadvantage tough having two versions of wallets with diverging content. 2) There is a branch that makes the KDE SC 4 kwallet use the data from the KF 5 based kwallet. But it is stalled¹. See the thread "kwalletmanager5 cannot access kwallet4 kwl files" I started in upstreams distributions mailing list². [1] https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/distributions/2016-March/49.html [2] https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/distributions/2016-March/40.html Additionally there is this thread on debian-kde: How do I open a kwallet4 in Stretch? https://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2016/03/msg00034.html > > Just in case this is not a known issue; > > if you run kde4 based apps, like konqueror or kontact, they use a wallet > > that is not supported and not visible in the kde5 based kcm. > > Dolphin in unstable is KF 5 / Qt 5 based already. KDEPIM + Akonadi in > experimental, soon in unstable I bet, too. Even testing had 16.04 of Dolphin meanwhile. KDEPIM is still in experimental. Thanks, -- Martin
Re: kde wallet services
On Dienstag, 14. Juni 2016 22:18:01 CEST Tom Zander wrote: > Hi, Hi Tom, > I was wondering if there is any ideas on how to solve the utter brokenness > of the wallet services on Debian Stretch right now. > > Before freeze (the way it looks now) I'd suggest removing the kde5 > walletmanager and shipping the kde4 one by default and compiling kde5 > without the wallet subsystem. Stretch will have KF 5/Plasma 5 based Kontact + Dolphin. So the other way around is more likely. As far as I heard the intention is to have most apps available in KF 5 / Qt 5 variants. I have already seen KF 5 / Qt 5 uploads of kde extras apps like Kaffeine, smplayer and others. Amarok, Krita, Digikam, KMyMoney still missing. I am not sure about Amarok, but I think the others will be ready for packaging in time. > Just in case this is not a known issue; > if you run kde4 based apps, like konqueror or kontact, they use a wallet > that is not supported and not visible in the kde5 based kcm. Dolphin in unstable is KF 5 / Qt 5 based already. KDEPIM + Akonadi in experimental, soon in unstable I bet, too. > So if you go > to the wallet manager you will see different information or no wallet at > all. Next to that, the kcm (kde5) for the "kde wallet" is quite buggy and > unfinished. > (quick example, try changing anything to get the password dialog and then > wait a minute. It times-out and shows an error dialog). You can help. For any bugs in KF 5 based wallet, I suggest you check with upstream bugtracker at bugs.kde.org and if there are critical bugs also report with Debian, including a link to the relevant upstream bug report. Thank you, -- Martin
kde wallet services
Hi, I was wondering if there is any ideas on how to solve the utter brokenness of the wallet services on Debian Stretch right now. Before freeze (the way it looks now) I'd suggest removing the kde5 walletmanager and shipping the kde4 one by default and compiling kde5 without the wallet subsystem. Just in case this is not a known issue; if you run kde4 based apps, like konqueror or kontact, they use a wallet that is not supported and not visible in the kde5 based kcm. So if you go to the wallet manager you will see different information or no wallet at all. Next to that, the kcm (kde5) for the "kde wallet" is quite buggy and unfinished. (quick example, try changing anything to get the password dialog and then wait a minute. It times-out and shows an error dialog). -- Tom Zander
