merge of pkg-scicomp into debian science (Was: Re: Maintainers of scientific applications: Please maintain tasks files! (Was: Bug#592701: science-statistics: typo in package description))
Le vendredi 13 août 2010 à 08:52 +0200, Andreas Tille a écrit : The merge of the two science projects will definitely not come because Sylvestre has suggested it. His offer to do the move is really brave - but I guess he needs at least some kind of confirmation Yes, I'm fine if you just do it. You probably have observed cases in the past where a maintainer was defeating others from touching his packages. Indeed, as said previously, I am happy to perform this task for anyone having packages into pkg-scicomp. Thanks, Sylvestre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-science-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1281822538.9429.149.ca...@zlarin
Re: Maintainers of scientific applications: Please maintain tasks files! (Was: Bug#592701: science-statistics: typo in package description)
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 10:18:53AM -0500, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: Suggests: libqrupdate-dev to the mathematics-dev tasks. Ah, so wait, these are tasks like tasksel tasks? I see... The name task was definitely inspired by tasksel and the blends-dev tools build not only metapackages but also a tasksel control file which enables to use also tasksel for installing the packages in question. However, the tasksel mehod does not differentiate between Depends and Suggests (because tasksel does not know this difference). Yes, that's accurate. Someone who *really* wants to do QR factorisations would benefit from this package, but it's a very niche use outside of how it's used transparently from Octave. It does have some interesting computational ideas from its author. Thanks for the clarification Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-science-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100815163612.ga14...@an3as.eu
Re: Maintainers of scientific applications: Please maintain tasks files! (Was: Bug#592701: science-statistics: typo in package description)
On 12 August 2010 16:33, Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote: Well, now I just noticed this and I added Suggests: libqrupdate-dev to the mathematics-dev tasks. Ah, so wait, these are tasks like tasksel tasks? I see... Please confirm that you agree with me that this package has some relevance for developing mathematical applications (even if it is not highly relevant because it is mostly used in connection with Octave and not primarily in self written applications). Yes, that's accurate. Someone who *really* wants to do QR factorisations would benefit from this package, but it's a very niche use outside of how it's used transparently from Octave. It does have some interesting computational ideas from its author. Thanks, - Jordi G. H. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-science-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikj4msmcfgqf4cydjqeag5qycwjubuzlznkj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Maintainers of scientific applications: Please maintain tasks files! (Was: Bug#592701: science-statistics: typo in package description)
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:09:49AM +0200, Christian T. Steigies wrote: I hope you don't kill me either... I have not yet played with tags and tasks, and did not see any links to relevant documentation in your email. I just had the impression that I have given way to many hints to the relevant Blends doc[1] that people become bored about this. Obviosely this is not the case and there is in fact no real need if you read this all. However, your e-mail is in principle sufficient to fullfill my cry for help (probably pronounced a bit to engaged yesterday - sorry if I sounded to harsh). I maintain GLE, I have added it to the viewing task in SVN[2] - so this was basically the information I needed from you as a maintainer of a package with relevance for scientific work. You probably could have added the Depends: gle-graphics yourself ... but if nobody has pointed you to the docs it is idefinitely not your fault (and I'll keep on bothering you all with this stuff ;-)). which is still in pkg-scicomp and I guess it should be moved to debian-science (this has been suggested before for this or some other package I (co)maintain. Sombody offered to do it). The merge of the two science projects will definitely not come because Sylvestre has suggested it. His offer to do the move is really brave - but I guess he needs at least some kind of confirmation Yes, I'm fine if you just do it. You probably have observed cases in the past where a maintainer was defeating others from touching his packages. http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gle-graphics.html This package fits into the viewing task, as it is similar to gnuplot, grace, gri, only better (since I have been using it for 15+ years ;-) How do I add it to the task? As I said I've just done it and I'm volunteering to add other packages after a notice because it is quite simple and does not really need much time. I just started the job to render the Debian Science tasks manually in addition to the cron job to let you all see the effect of this change and thus you should find your package at the science viewing task page[3] in a short time. I just found this page: http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/edit.html?pkg=gle-graphics Should I add the use::viewing tag? What does this button... hmm Adding DebTags to your packages is also a very good idea. The tasks pages support this by providing a link in case a package is not yet DebTagged. You can read more about DebTags here[4] and you can effectively use the DebTags database by using axi-cache (the successor of ept-cache), a nifty tool which is some kind of so perfectly hidden that no user does it know (as well as the Blends stuff obviosely). Anything else? Once you are navigating to the gle-graphics section on[3] you will notice that in contrast to other packages gle-graphics has no screenshot. Just follow the according link and add a screenshot. Blends is also about Quality Assurance. I really hope this stuff makes sense to you (and you will spreed the word ;-)!) And how will the package move from pkg-scicomp to science? I wouldn't mind switching to bzr during this move... I guess this was explained before but I think the Draft Debian Science Policy[5] will answer this question. In short: Maintainer: Debian Science Team debian-science-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org Uploaders: you[, other maintainer] Vcs-Git: git://git.debian.org/?p=debian-science/gle-graphics.git OR Vcs-Svn: svn://svn.debian.org/svn/debian-science/packages/gle-graphics/trunk/ (Git or SVN at your preference, no bzr). Subscribing to the maintainers list (prehaps the commit list) as well as to the discussion list[6] makes sense. That's all. Kind regards Andreas. [1] http://blends.alioth.debian.org/blends [2] http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/blends/projects/science/trunk/debian-science/tasks/ [3] http://blends.alioth.debian.org/science/tasks/viewing [4] http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/ [5] http://debian-science.alioth.debian.org/debian-science-policy.html [6] http://lists.debian.org/debian-science -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-science-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100813065246.ga17...@an3as.eu
Re: Maintainers of scientific applications: Please maintain tasks files! (Was: Bug#592701: science-statistics: typo in package description)
Dear Christophe, On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 08:52:25AM +0200, Christophe Prud'homme wrote: I worked a little bit on the tasks but I don't have the permission to write on the svn server Can't create directory '/svn/blends/db/transactions/2353-1.txn': Permission denied Hmmm, that's strange, I'll contact alioth admin about this. In any case I just added you to the project so this should be fixed. Attached you will find the patch. Thanks for the patch. It's applied. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-science-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100813073028.ga18...@an3as.eu
Re: Maintainers of scientific applications: Please maintain tasks files! (Was: Bug#592701: science-statistics: typo in package description)
Andreas, On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Andreas Tille ti...@debian.org wrote: Dear Christophe, On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 08:52:25AM +0200, Christophe Prud'homme wrote: I worked a little bit on the tasks but I don't have the permission to write on the svn server Can't create directory '/svn/blends/db/transactions/2353-1.txn': Permission denied Hmmm, that's strange, I'll contact alioth admin about this. In any case I just added you to the project so this should be fixed. Let me know how it goes. I definitely will update the tasks, this is very important that it is as complete as possible. Thanks for sending this (reminder) email I probably missed it before. I saw that madlib upload was one of the reasons that you send it ;) Attached you will find the patch. Thanks for the patch. It's applied. Thanks. Here is another one attached (gmsh and slepc) Best regards C. -- Debian Developer (Scientific applications) Prof. at Univ. Grenoble in Applied Math. Index: engineering-dev === --- engineering-dev (revision 2354) +++ engineering-dev (working copy) @@ -37,3 +37,6 @@ Depends: libmadlib-dev Why: Mesh adaptation + +Depends: libslepc3.0.0-dev +Why: Generalized and standard eigenvalue solver framework, applications to modal analysis Index: viewing === --- viewing (revision 2354) +++ viewing (working copy) @@ -35,6 +35,8 @@ Depends: gle-graphics +Depends: gmsh + Suggests: texlive-pictures Suggests: pgplot5 @@ -73,7 +75,7 @@ Homepage: http://pgfplots.sourceforge.net/ License: GPLv3 WNPP: 514751 -Responsible: OHURA Makoto oh...@debian.org +Responsible: OHURA Makoto oh...@debian.org Pkg-Description: TeX package to draw normal and/or logarithmic plots directly in TeX This package provides tools to generate plots and labeled axes easily. It draws normal plots, logplots and semi-logplots. Axis Index: mathematics-dev === --- mathematics-dev (revision 2354) +++ mathematics-dev (working copy) @@ -25,9 +25,6 @@ Depends: libsuperlu3-dev Why: solver -Suggests: libslepc2.3.2-dev -Why: non-free - Depends: libglpk-dev Why: linear programming @@ -67,6 +64,7 @@ Depends: dolfin-dev Depends: libslepc3.0.0-dev +Why: Generalized and standard eigenvalue solver framework Depends: petsc-dev, libtrilinos-dev
Re: Maintainers of scientific applications: Please maintain tasks files! (Was: Bug#592701: science-statistics: typo in package description)
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Re: Maintainers of scientific applications: Please maintain tasks files! (Was: Bug#592701: science-statistics: typo in package description)
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:59:20AM +0200, wrote: Where does libverilog-perl fit: electronics ? or electronics-dev (which does not exist) ? IMHO we should assemble an electronics-dev task either for Squeeze+1 or right now with a certain set of relevant packages. I would support the latter in case we manage to assemble this set soonish and IMHO release managers are quite open to this given the fact that the freeze came somehow unexpected and we are not really adding new code. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-science-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100813092229.gb24...@an3as.eu
Re: Maintainers of scientific applications: Please maintain tasks files! (Was: Bug#592701: science-statistics: typo in package description)
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:53:09AM +0200, Christophe Prud'homme wrote: Hmmm, that's strange, I'll contact alioth admin about this. In any case I just added you to the project so this should be fixed. Let me know how it goes. I definitely will update the tasks, this is very important Well, you are now member of the Blends project which is a hack around the not properly adjusted ACLs but probably this is a reasonable thing anyway. Thanks. Here is another one attached (gmsh and slepc) Could you please try again to commit this just to verify whether it works now? Thanks Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-science-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100813091651.ga24...@an3as.eu
Re: Maintainers of scientific applications: Please maintain tasks files! (Was: Bug#592701: science-statistics: typo in package description)
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 08:52:46AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:09:49AM +0200, Christian T. Steigies wrote: I hope you don't kill me either... I have not yet played with tags and tasks, and did not see any links to relevant documentation in your email. I just had the impression that I have given way to many hints to the relevant Blends doc[1] that people become bored about this. Obviosely this is not the case and there is in fact no real need if you read this all. However, your e-mail is in principle sufficient to fullfill my cry for help (probably pronounced a bit to engaged yesterday - sorry if I sounded to harsh). That is a lot to read... I maintain GLE, I have added it to the viewing task in SVN[2] - so this was basically the information I needed from you as a maintainer of a package with relevance for scientific work. You probably could have added the Depends: gle-graphics yourself ... but if nobody has pointed you to the docs it is idefinitely not your fault (and I'll keep on bothering you all with this stuff ;-)). Ok, thanks. I guess I should update the description sometimes... that comes directly from the control file? I see there is no website mentioned, does this also come from the control file? http://glx.sourceforge.net/ which is still in pkg-scicomp and I guess it should be moved to debian-science (this has been suggested before for this or some other package I (co)maintain. Sombody offered to do it). The merge of the two science projects will definitely not come because Sylvestre has suggested it. His offer to do the move is really brave - but I guess he needs at least some kind of confirmation Yes, I'm fine if you just do it. You probably have observed cases in the past where a maintainer was defeating others from touching his packages. Oh, but this package is MINE... ;-) No, I am fine with it, but I just know enough svn to check in my changes. I did not get svn-buildpackage to work (thats one of the reasons I prefer bzr) and I do not want to experiment to move the svn directory from pkg-scicomp to pkg-science. I just want to use the version control, not write a thesis about it. http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gle-graphics.html This package fits into the viewing task, as it is similar to gnuplot, grace, gri, only better (since I have been using it for 15+ years ;-) How do I add it to the task? As I said I've just done it and I'm volunteering to add other packages after a notice because it is quite simple and does not really need much time. I just started the job to render the Debian Science tasks manually in addition to the cron job to let you all see the effect of this change and thus you should find your package at the science viewing task page[3] in a short time. Yes, I have seen it there, thanks. Just as I said, it is better than gnuplot, it comes before ;-) I just found this page: http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/edit.html?pkg=gle-graphics Should I add the use::viewing tag? What does this button... hmm Adding DebTags to your packages is also a very good idea. The tasks pages support this by providing a link in case a package is not yet DebTagged. You can read more about DebTags here[4] and you can effectively use the DebTags database by using axi-cache (the successor of ept-cache), a nifty tool which is some kind of so perfectly hidden that no user does it know (as well as the Blends stuff obviosely). I thought the tag would add it to the tasks, why does it have to be done twice? Anything else? Once you are navigating to the gle-graphics section on[3] you will notice that in contrast to other packages gle-graphics has no screenshot. Just follow the according link and add a screenshot. Blends is also about Quality Assurance. I really hope this stuff makes sense to you (and you will spreed the word ;-)!) I will have a look. There are many screenshots in the glx examples page, I don't know which to pick... can I upload two? And how will the package move from pkg-scicomp to science? I wouldn't mind switching to bzr during this move... I guess this was explained before but I think the Draft Debian Science Policy[5] will answer this question. In short: Maintainer: Debian Science Team debian-science-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org Uploaders: you[, other maintainer] Vcs-Git: git://git.debian.org/?p=debian-science/gle-graphics.git OR Vcs-Svn: svn://svn.debian.org/svn/debian-science/packages/gle-graphics/trunk/ (Git or SVN at your preference, no bzr). Subscribing to the maintainers list (prehaps the commit list) as well as to the discussion list[6] makes sense. That's all. And even more to read... I think the package that was suggested for the move is xmds. http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmds.html That should probably be added to the tasks as well, but I am not quite sure where. It solves differential
Re: Maintainers of scientific applications: Please maintain tasks files! (Was: Bug#592701: science-statistics: typo in package description)
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:40:16AM +0200, Christian T. Steigies wrote: all. However, your e-mail is in principle sufficient to fullfill my cry for help (probably pronounced a bit to engaged yesterday - sorry if I sounded to harsh). That is a lot to read... Yes, but parts of it might suffice (or as I said using me as a proxy for editing the tasks files if you just know that you should give a ping here). Ok, thanks. I guess I should update the description sometimes... that comes directly from the control file? The English description, yes. The translation (I guess you might read the German locale) comes from DDTP translations. I see there is no website mentioned, does this also come from the control file? http://glx.sourceforge.net/ Yes. You should set a Homepage field in your control file. (Have you noticed that these pages are working as a QA means ;-)) The merge of the two science projects will definitely not come because Sylvestre has suggested it. His offer to do the move is really brave - but I guess he needs at least some kind of confirmation Yes, I'm fine if you just do it. You probably have observed cases in the past where a maintainer was defeating others from touching his packages. Oh, but this package is MINE... ;-) No, I am fine with it, but I just know enough svn to check in my changes. I did not get svn-buildpackage to work Me too, but I do the commits manually and just ignore svn-buildpackage ... (thats one of the reasons I prefer bzr) and I do not want to experiment to move the svn directory from pkg-scicomp to pkg-science. I just want to use the version control, not write a thesis about it. Fine. Yes, I have seen it there, thanks. Just as I said, it is better than gnuplot, it comes before ;-) I hope the fact that it is now in the Blends task will increase its popcon stats to reflect this feature. ;-) Adding DebTags to your packages is also a very good idea. The tasks pages support this by providing a link in case a package is not yet DebTagged. You can read more about DebTags here[4] and you can effectively use the DebTags database by using axi-cache (the successor of ept-cache), a nifty tool which is some kind of so perfectly hidden that no user does it know (as well as the Blends stuff obviosely). I thought the tag would add it to the tasks, why does it have to be done twice? DebTags reflect more features than just putting it into a certain workfield. The Debian Junior Blend did some experiments with mapping tasks and DebTags directly but there was not so much success. That's a long story. If you are interested (I mean really interested) you might bring this up on debian-ble...@l.d.o. I'm constantly thinking about how we can connect DebTags and Blends better but have not yet found a really good solution. I will have a look. There are many screenshots in the glx examples page, I don't know which to pick... can I upload two? The doc on screenshots.debian.net is really short. ;-)) The very short answer is: You can upload as much as you want. Only one is directly shown at the tasks page and I would say a that the screenshot which is displayed at the tasks page is randomly choosen (which means I just pick one from a list and have no real control which one this is - probably the first uploaded but no guarantee). However, the user gets the information if there are more than one screenshots available. (Git or SVN at your preference, no bzr). Subscribing to the maintainers list (prehaps the commit list) as well as to the discussion list[6] makes sense. That's all. And even more to read... I think the package that was suggested for the move is xmds. http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmds.html That should probably be added to the tasks as well, but I am not quite sure where. It solves differential equations, so probably math. There are many examples for physics, engineering, chemistry. So it could be in those tasks as well? I simply added xmds to mathematics. If anybody else thinks it should be in any further task, please rise your voice here. Thanks for your input Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-science-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100813114058.ga26...@an3as.eu
Re: Maintainers of scientific applications: Please maintain tasks files! (Was: Bug#592701: science-statistics: typo in package description)
On 12 August 2010 15:26, Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote: sorry for quoting myself, but may be the previously choosen subject might have hidden the problem a bit and after some investigation into Debian Science tasks files I came to the conclusion that they are not properly maintained. :-( I don't know what you're talking about, so instead of reading documentation everywhere, I hope you don't kill me if I'm lazy and just ask you directly: I only maintain qrupdate for now. Is there something I need to do that I haven't done? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-science-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktima8=2uakj4afhbkcwh2lhwr9tnfrrsax-dm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Maintainers of scientific applications: Please maintain tasks files! (Was: Bug#592701: science-statistics: typo in package description)
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 03:47:43PM -0500, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: I don't know what you're talking about, so instead of reading documentation everywhere, I hope you don't kill me if I'm lazy and just ask you directly: I recently manifested a personal policy: I will not kill a fellow Debian Science supporter - so you are quite safe. ;-) I only maintain qrupdate for now. Is there something I need to do that I haven't done? Well, now I just noticed this and I added Suggests: libqrupdate-dev to the mathematics-dev tasks. This entry puts your package onto the list displayed at http://blends.alioth.debian.org/science/tasks/mathematics-dev after the next cron job (and I hope I do not regret my policy mentioned above and you will at least follow THIS link ;-)). Please confirm that you agree with me that this package has some relevance for developing mathematical applications (even if it is not highly relevant because it is mostly used in connection with Octave and not primarily in self written applications). This is what I understood from the description. Are there any other fields (tasks; see menu on the left of URL above to get a list) where this package might be relevant. Thanks for the hint to qrupdate Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-science-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100812213311.ge29...@an3as.eu
Re: Maintainers of scientific applications: Please maintain tasks files! (Was: Bug#592701: science-statistics: typo in package description)
Moin, On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:33:11PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 03:47:43PM -0500, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: I don't know what you're talking about, so instead of reading documentation everywhere, I hope you don't kill me if I'm lazy and just ask you directly: I recently manifested a personal policy: I will not kill a fellow Debian Science supporter - so you are quite safe. ;-) I hope you don't kill me either... I have not yet played with tags and tasks, and did not see any links to relevant documentation in your email. I maintain GLE, which is still in pkg-scicomp and I guess it should be moved to debian-science (this has been suggested before for this or some other package I (co)maintain. Sombody offered to do it). http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gle-graphics.html This package fits into the viewing task, as it is similar to gnuplot, grace, gri, only better (since I have been using it for 15+ years ;-) How do I add it to the task? I just found this page: http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/edit.html?pkg=gle-graphics Should I add the use::viewing tag? What does this button... hmm Anything else? And how will the package move from pkg-scicomp to science? I wouldn't mind switching to bzr during this move... Christian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-science-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100812220949.ga23...@chumley.debian.net
