Re: Security in a shell that starts ssh

2001-06-14 Thread Peter Cordes
On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 01:50:56AM +0400, Daniel Ginsburg wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> It _won't_ be caught by fgets. See my other post.
> Please refer to manpages and the Standard to see what does fgets return and
> under what circumstances.

 The libc info page (run  info libc, for those not familiar with info(1) or
the emacs mode) has this to say:

  *Warning:*  If the input data has a null character, you can't tell.
  So don't use fgets' unless you know the data cannot contain a
  null.  Don't use it to read files edited by the user because, if
  the user inserts a null character, you should either handle it
  properly or print a clear error message.  We recommend using
  getline' instead of fgets'.


 getline(3) is available on GNU systems, but it's not part of any C
standard.  Still, the implementation of it is Free (LGPL), so you can
distribute it with your code if you need to.

 getline is what I wish C had done from the beginning.  C has too much cruft
in its IO functions, especially the way they all signal errors or EOF
differently, and take their arguments in different order.  This is not the
place to discuss this further, so I'll shut up now, and hope nobody replies
to the list about this.

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"The gods confound the man who first found out how to distinguish the hours!
 Confound him, too, who in this place set up a sundial, to cut and hack
 my day so wretchedly into small pieces!" -- Plautus, 200 BCE



Re: Security in a shell that starts ssh

2001-06-14 Thread Peter Cordes
On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 09:30:59PM +0200, Miquel Mart?n L?pez wrote:
> Hi David!
> Well, in my case the terminal is an VT-100, so it's connected directly to
> the one of the serial ports of the server, so nothing's going wildly to the
> network in cleartext.

 If you use really long RS-232 cables, it's pretty easy for someone to tap
the line and capture everything.  If the terminals are in other rooms, and
the cables go somewhere an attacker could get at them, you could be sniffed.
See "the cuckoo's egg" for an example of doing this.  (He used
printer/terminals, but you could use a laptop or two with a serial port for
each direction of the connection to capture everything even at high speed.)

-- 
#define X(x,y) x##y
Peter Cordes ;  e-mail: X([EMAIL PROTECTED] , ns.ca)

"The gods confound the man who first found out how to distinguish the hours!
 Confound him, too, who in this place set up a sundial, to cut and hack
 my day so wretchedly into small pieces!" -- Plautus, 200 BCE



Re: Security in a shell that starts ssh

2001-06-14 Thread Peter Cordes
On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 09:30:59PM +0200, Miquel Mart?n L?pez wrote:
> Hi David!
> Well, in my case the terminal is an VT-100, so it's connected directly to
> the one of the serial ports of the server, so nothing's going wildly to the
> network in cleartext.


> I don't know about Xterminals, though... I guess they are networked, but I
> really don't know much about the protocol :(

 They talk X11 over TCP/IP over ethernet.  They are exactly as insecure as
doing remote X11 with a normal Unix machine running the X server.  I.e.
don't type any passwords that shouldn't be seen by someone who can get at
the network cables. Everything goes in the clear, and is totally sniffable.
Access control is provided by IP addr-based xhosts (which obviously sucks
because it uses IP addrs for auth purposes), or with MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1, or
XDM-AUTHORIZATION xauth stuff.  (The NCD x terminal I salvaged supports those,
so that's what I'm basing this on...).

 An X terminal is ok, as long as you use it on a private network that only
connects it to a server.  You can use ssh to tunnel connections from places
farther away than the server _to_ the server, and have them go in the clear
between the server and the X terminal.

 How secure is MIT-MAGIC-COOKE-1, anyway?

-- 
#define X(x,y) x##y
Peter Cordes ;  e-mail: X([EMAIL PROTECTED] , ns.ca)

"The gods confound the man who first found out how to distinguish the hours!
 Confound him, too, who in this place set up a sundial, to cut and hack
 my day so wretchedly into small pieces!" -- Plautus, 200 BCE



Re: Security in a shell that starts ssh

2001-06-14 Thread Peter Cordes

On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 01:50:56AM +0400, Daniel Ginsburg wrote:
> Ctrl-@.
> It _won't_ be caught by fgets. See my other post.
> Please refer to manpages and the Standard to see what does fgets return and
> under what circumstances.

 The libc info page (run  info libc, for those not familiar with info(1) or
the emacs mode) has this to say:

  *Warning:*  If the input data has a null character, you can't tell.
  So don't use fgets' unless you know the data cannot contain a
  null.  Don't use it to read files edited by the user because, if
  the user inserts a null character, you should either handle it
  properly or print a clear error message.  We recommend using
  getline' instead of fgets'.


 getline(3) is available on GNU systems, but it's not part of any C
standard.  Still, the implementation of it is Free (LGPL), so you can
distribute it with your code if you need to.

 getline is what I wish C had done from the beginning.  C has too much cruft
in its IO functions, especially the way they all signal errors or EOF
differently, and take their arguments in different order.  This is not the
place to discuss this further, so I'll shut up now, and hope nobody replies
to the list about this.

-- 
#define X(x,y) x##y
Peter Cordes ;  e-mail: X([EMAIL PROTECTED] , ns.ca)

"The gods confound the man who first found out how to distinguish the hours!
 Confound him, too, who in this place set up a sundial, to cut and hack
 my day so wretchedly into small pieces!" -- Plautus, 200 BCE


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Re: Security in a shell that starts ssh

2001-06-14 Thread Peter Cordes

On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 09:30:59PM +0200, Miquel Mart?n L?pez wrote:
> Hi David!
> Well, in my case the terminal is an VT-100, so it's connected directly to
> the one of the serial ports of the server, so nothing's going wildly to the
> network in cleartext.

 If you use really long RS-232 cables, it's pretty easy for someone to tap
the line and capture everything.  If the terminals are in other rooms, and
the cables go somewhere an attacker could get at them, you could be sniffed.
See "the cuckoo's egg" for an example of doing this.  (He used
printer/terminals, but you could use a laptop or two with a serial port for
each direction of the connection to capture everything even at high speed.)

-- 
#define X(x,y) x##y
Peter Cordes ;  e-mail: X([EMAIL PROTECTED] , ns.ca)

"The gods confound the man who first found out how to distinguish the hours!
 Confound him, too, who in this place set up a sundial, to cut and hack
 my day so wretchedly into small pieces!" -- Plautus, 200 BCE


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Re: Security in a shell that starts ssh

2001-06-14 Thread Peter Cordes

On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 09:30:59PM +0200, Miquel Mart?n L?pez wrote:
> Hi David!
> Well, in my case the terminal is an VT-100, so it's connected directly to
> the one of the serial ports of the server, so nothing's going wildly to the
> network in cleartext.


> I don't know about Xterminals, though... I guess they are networked, but I
> really don't know much about the protocol :(

 They talk X11 over TCP/IP over ethernet.  They are exactly as insecure as
doing remote X11 with a normal Unix machine running the X server.  I.e.
don't type any passwords that shouldn't be seen by someone who can get at
the network cables. Everything goes in the clear, and is totally sniffable.
Access control is provided by IP addr-based xhosts (which obviously sucks
because it uses IP addrs for auth purposes), or with MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1, or
XDM-AUTHORIZATION xauth stuff.  (The NCD x terminal I salvaged supports those,
so that's what I'm basing this on...).

 An X terminal is ok, as long as you use it on a private network that only
connects it to a server.  You can use ssh to tunnel connections from places
farther away than the server _to_ the server, and have them go in the clear
between the server and the X terminal.

 How secure is MIT-MAGIC-COOKE-1, anyway?

-- 
#define X(x,y) x##y
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"The gods confound the man who first found out how to distinguish the hours!
 Confound him, too, who in this place set up a sundial, to cut and hack
 my day so wretchedly into small pieces!" -- Plautus, 200 BCE


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Re: Security in a shell that starts ssh

2001-06-14 Thread Steve Greenland
On 14-Jun-01, 14:30 (CDT), Miquel Mart?n L?pez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> And changing topic, how about that code-revieu debian list? It sure sounds
> interesting, and many of us would learn a great deal :) Debian gurus out
> there, let's give it a shot! Where/who can we contact?

I've submitted a bug against lists.debian.org asking that it be created.
It's #100907. If I don't get a response in a few days I may just create
it on my hosting system.

Steve

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Re: Security in a shell that starts ssh

2001-06-14 Thread Miquel Mart?n L?pez
Hi David!
Well, in my case the terminal is an VT-100, so it's connected directly to
the one of the serial ports of the server, so nothing's going wildly to the
network in cleartext.
I don't know about Xterminals, though... I guess they are networked, but I
really don't know much about the protocol :(

And changing topic, how about that code-revieu debian list? It sure sounds
interesting, and many of us would learn a great deal :) Debian gurus out
there, let's give it a shot! Where/who can we contact?
Miquel

On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 09:24:42AM -0500, David Ehle wrote:
> 
> I am in a similar situation as Miquel, and was consdering a similar
> option... but one thing keeps nagging at me as far as the security of the
> setup.  SSH will encrypt all the data transmitted between the "portal"
> machine and other hosts, but what is keeping someone from sniffing
> everything going from the clear text telnet connection to the Vt100, or in
> my case an old Xterminal?
> 
> Any one have any thoughts on assessing the risk?  Or a solution to
> the situation?Maybe i'm  missunerstanding his situation due to mine...
> 
> (i'm currently trying to convice my department to throw out the old Xterms
> and let me put in some old PPro's w/ barebones linux installs to replace
> them.)
> 
> 
>   Thanks!
> David Ehle
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Security in a shell that starts ssh

2001-06-14 Thread Steve Greenland

On 14-Jun-01, 14:30 (CDT), Miquel Mart?n L?pez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> And changing topic, how about that code-revieu debian list? It sure sounds
> interesting, and many of us would learn a great deal :) Debian gurus out
> there, let's give it a shot! Where/who can we contact?

I've submitted a bug against lists.debian.org asking that it be created.
It's #100907. If I don't get a response in a few days I may just create
it on my hosting system.

Steve

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Re: Security in a shell that starts ssh

2001-06-14 Thread Miquel Mart?n L?pez

Hi David!
Well, in my case the terminal is an VT-100, so it's connected directly to
the one of the serial ports of the server, so nothing's going wildly to the
network in cleartext.
I don't know about Xterminals, though... I guess they are networked, but I
really don't know much about the protocol :(

And changing topic, how about that code-revieu debian list? It sure sounds
interesting, and many of us would learn a great deal :) Debian gurus out
there, let's give it a shot! Where/who can we contact?
Miquel

On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 09:24:42AM -0500, David Ehle wrote:
> 
> I am in a similar situation as Miquel, and was consdering a similar
> option... but one thing keeps nagging at me as far as the security of the
> setup.  SSH will encrypt all the data transmitted between the "portal"
> machine and other hosts, but what is keeping someone from sniffing
> everything going from the clear text telnet connection to the Vt100, or in
> my case an old Xterminal?
> 
> Any one have any thoughts on assessing the risk?  Or a solution to
> the situation?Maybe i'm  missunerstanding his situation due to mine...
> 
> (i'm currently trying to convice my department to throw out the old Xterms
> and let me put in some old PPro's w/ barebones linux installs to replace
> them.)
> 
> 
>   Thanks!
> David Ehle
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Security in a shell that starts ssh

2001-06-14 Thread David Ehle

I am in a similar situation as Miquel, and was consdering a similar
option... but one thing keeps nagging at me as far as the security of the
setup.  SSH will encrypt all the data transmitted between the "portal"
machine and other hosts, but what is keeping someone from sniffing
everything going from the clear text telnet connection to the Vt100, or in
my case an old Xterminal?

Any one have any thoughts on assessing the risk?  Or a solution to
the situation?Maybe i'm  missunerstanding his situation due to mine...

(i'm currently trying to convice my department to throw out the old Xterms
and let me put in some old PPro's w/ barebones linux installs to replace
them.)


Thanks!
David Ehle




Sorry for kyoto protocol climate change spam

2001-06-14 Thread Franz Keferböck



Sorry for annoying annybody; I just forwarded it to 
ALL in my addressbook - first I didnt realize that also the mailinglists were 
inside!!!
 
On the one hand im sorry for spamming, on the other 
hand I still wanna point out that Bush's actions are not OK (and everything else 
but as holy as he always pretends to be...)
 
Sorry!!! Didnt wanna annoy anybody...
 
Franz


Fw: Fw: kyoto protocol climate change

2001-06-14 Thread Franz Keferböck

- Original Message -
From: "Andrea Keferböck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Franz - Lokal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:55 PM
Subject: Fw: Fw: kyoto protocol climate change


>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: ERICH SCHLAGNITWEIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An: Christa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; agnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> andi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; andrea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Anita
> Öhlinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; barbara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; bernadette
> seyerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; erika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; franz
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Gitti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; heidi
> pöschko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; herta sixt
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> margitta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Maria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> maria herzberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; maria pötscher
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; martina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> Renate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Richard Artner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> ursula janschek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Datum: Dienstag, 12. Juni 2001 21:43
> Betreff: Re: Fw: kyoto protocol climate change
>
>
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> >> - Original Message -
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> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 10:19 AM
> >> Subject: Fw: kyoto protocol climate change
> >>
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Re: Security in a shell that starts ssh

2001-06-14 Thread David Ehle


I am in a similar situation as Miquel, and was consdering a similar
option... but one thing keeps nagging at me as far as the security of the
setup.  SSH will encrypt all the data transmitted between the "portal"
machine and other hosts, but what is keeping someone from sniffing
everything going from the clear text telnet connection to the Vt100, or in
my case an old Xterminal?

Any one have any thoughts on assessing the risk?  Or a solution to
the situation?Maybe i'm  missunerstanding his situation due to mine...

(i'm currently trying to convice my department to throw out the old Xterms
and let me put in some old PPro's w/ barebones linux installs to replace
them.)


Thanks!
David Ehle



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Sorry for kyoto protocol climate change spam

2001-06-14 Thread Franz Keferböck



Sorry for annoying annybody; I just forwarded it to 
ALL in my addressbook - first I didnt realize that also the mailinglists were 
inside!!!
 
On the one hand im sorry for spamming, on the other 
hand I still wanna point out that Bush's actions are not OK (and everything else 
but as holy as he always pretends to be...)
 
Sorry!!! Didnt wanna annoy anybody...
 
Franz


Fw: Fw: kyoto protocol climate change

2001-06-14 Thread Franz Keferböck


- Original Message -
From: "Andrea Keferböck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Franz - Lokal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:55 PM
Subject: Fw: Fw: kyoto protocol climate change


>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: ERICH SCHLAGNITWEIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An: Christa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; agnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> andi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; andrea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Anita
> Öhlinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; barbara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; bernadette
> seyerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; erika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; franz
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Gitti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; heidi
> pöschko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; herta sixt
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> margitta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Maria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> maria herzberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; maria pötscher
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; martina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> Renate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Richard Artner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> ursula janschek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Datum: Dienstag, 12. Juni 2001 21:43
> Betreff: Re: Fw: kyoto protocol climate change
>
>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: Dr. Luger Freistadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 10:19 AM
> >> Subject: Fw: kyoto protocol climate change
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > - Original Message -
> >> > From: Neulinger Elisabeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 11:59 AM
> >> > Subject: kyoto protocol climate change
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Ruge Rainer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Hi Everyone,
> >> > > >As many or all of you know, President Bush has
> >> > > decided to abandon the
> >> > > >Kyoto Protocol, the international treaty to prevent
> >> > > climate change by
> >> > > >reducing the use of fossil fuels such as oil and
> >> > > natural gas.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >This affects us all, so please add your name to the
> >> > > petition below to state
> >> > > >that you want President Bush to reconsider his
> >> > > decision on the Kyoto
> >> > > >Protocol.
> >> > > >Then forward this e-mail to as many people as
> >> > > possible.
> >> > > >If you are the 100th person on the list, please
> >> > > forward the e-mail to:
> >> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]<
> >> > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >It's best to copy the contents of this e-mail and
> >> > > paste it into a new
> >> > > >one, rather than forwarding it, to avoid all the
> >> > > annoying ">>>" marks.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >1) Christine Whitmore-Jones, Watford, UK
> >> > > >2) Sandra Whitmore-Jones, Portsmouth UK
> >> > > >3) Andrew Longley, Gosport UK
> >> > > >4) Ruth Telford, Leicester, UK
> >> > > >5) Will Jones, Nottingham, UK
> >> > > >6) Daisy Seller, Nottingham, UK
> >> > > >7) Emily Walker, Nottingham, UK
> >> > > >8) Juliette Findlay, London, UK
> >> > > >9) Catherine Willis, London UK
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Backing up encrypted filesystem

2001-06-14 Thread iain
Hi,

I have been using reiserfs on top of an encrypted filesystem (serpent) for a
couple of months with no problems until last night when the reiserfs crashed.
This brings me to my question. Is it possible to burn this filesystem onto a
CDR.

I have tried unsuccessfully both by using the encrypted file as the image file
and also just burning the file onto a iso9660 filesystem.

Oh and if anyone knows how to recover a reiserfs with the following error I
would be really grateful.

<-debugreiserfs, 2001->
reiserfsprogs 3.x.0j
reiserfs_open: first bitmap looks corrupted
Super block of format 3.6 found on the 0x3 in block 16
Block count 163840
Blocksize 4096
Free blocks 149868
Busy blocks (skipped 16, bitmaps - 5, journal blocks - 8193
1 super blocks, 5757 data blocks
Root block 8214
Journal block (first) 18
Journal dev 0
Journal orig size 8192
Filesystem state VALID
Tree height 3
Hash function used to sort names: "r5"
Objectid map size 18, max 972
Version 2