allowing X display from su'd environment

2002-11-08 Thread Jean Christophe ANDRÉ
Hi!

Yogesh Sharma wrote:
> > I am using woody + testing + some unstable:
> > in xterm/gnome-terminal usually I do (as normal user) xhost +

Matt Zimmerman écrivait :
> This disables access control in the X server.  This is, almost always, a
> very bad idea.

A better way to allow it (when you switch from normal to root user) :

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ su -
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# xauth merge ~test/.Xauthority
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# export DISPLAY=:0.0
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# xterm# or whatever Xwindow program you want to run

I can remember there was some 'su' feature doing it automagically somewhere
(with RedHat, Mandrake or another one)...

Cheers, J.C.
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allowing X display from su'd environment

2002-11-08 Thread Jean Christophe ANDRÉ
Hi!

Yogesh Sharma wrote:
> > I am using woody + testing + some unstable:
> > in xterm/gnome-terminal usually I do (as normal user) xhost +

Matt Zimmerman écrivait :
> This disables access control in the X server.  This is, almost always, a
> very bad idea.

A better way to allow it (when you switch from normal to root user) :

  test@localhost:~$ su -
  root@localhost:~# xauth merge ~test/.Xauthority
  root@localhost:~# export DISPLAY=:0.0
  root@localhost:~# xterm   # or whatever Xwindow program you want to run

I can remember there was some 'su' feature doing it automagically somewhere
(with RedHat, Mandrake or another one)...

Cheers, J.C.
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Re: chrooting apache[ssl,php,perl] and some mta

2002-11-08 Thread Michael Ablassmeier
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 12:32:40AM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> 
> You could have a proper MTA outside the chroots (like postfix or exim). And
> a bogus, stupid, cat-it-to-localhost-port-25 MTA inside the chroot, like
> ssmtp :-)
ok, that sounds better to me than unnecessary bloating my chroot
environment.
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Re: chrooting apache[ssl,php,perl] and some mta

2002-11-08 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 09 Nov 2002, Michael Ablassmeier wrote:
> i did some apache chroot environment (php,perl,ssl), and now
> some users want to use the php "mail" command, so i have to
> include some mta into the chroot.

You could have a proper MTA outside the chroots (like postfix or exim). And
a bogus, stupid, cat-it-to-localhost-port-25 MTA inside the chroot, like
ssmtp :-)

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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh



Re: chrooting apache[ssl,php,perl] and some mta

2002-11-08 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Michael Ablassmeier said:
> hi !..
> 
> i did some apache chroot environment (php,perl,ssl), and now
> some users want to use the php "mail" command, so i have to
> include some mta into the chroot.
> As far as i know, Sendmail is not a good candiate to chroot.
> 
> What mta would you prefer ?
> Any hints for me ?
> Thanx !
> -- 
> greetings /*/ michael ablassmeier

I've never set it up myself, but postfix looks like it's fairly easy to
do that with, and many people recommend it as a simple, flexibale and
secure MTA.

Steve
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chrooting apache[ssl,php,perl] and some mta

2002-11-08 Thread Michael Ablassmeier
hi !..

i did some apache chroot environment (php,perl,ssl), and now
some users want to use the php "mail" command, so i have to
include some mta into the chroot.
As far as i know, Sendmail is not a good candiate to chroot.

What mta would you prefer ?
Any hints for me ?
Thanx !
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Re: chrooting apache[ssl,php,perl] and some mta

2002-11-08 Thread Michael Ablassmeier
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 12:32:40AM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> 
> You could have a proper MTA outside the chroots (like postfix or exim). And
> a bogus, stupid, cat-it-to-localhost-port-25 MTA inside the chroot, like
> ssmtp :-)
ok, that sounds better to me than unnecessary bloating my chroot
environment.
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Re: chrooting apache[ssl,php,perl] and some mta

2002-11-08 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 09 Nov 2002, Michael Ablassmeier wrote:
> i did some apache chroot environment (php,perl,ssl), and now
> some users want to use the php "mail" command, so i have to
> include some mta into the chroot.

You could have a proper MTA outside the chroots (like postfix or exim). And
a bogus, stupid, cat-it-to-localhost-port-25 MTA inside the chroot, like
ssmtp :-)

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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh


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Re: chrooting apache[ssl,php,perl] and some mta

2002-11-08 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Michael Ablassmeier said:
> hi !..
> 
> i did some apache chroot environment (php,perl,ssl), and now
> some users want to use the php "mail" command, so i have to
> include some mta into the chroot.
> As far as i know, Sendmail is not a good candiate to chroot.
> 
> What mta would you prefer ?
> Any hints for me ?
> Thanx !
> -- 
> greetings /*/ michael ablassmeier

I've never set it up myself, but postfix looks like it's fairly easy to
do that with, and many people recommend it as a simple, flexibale and
secure MTA.

Steve
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chrooting apache[ssl,php,perl] and some mta

2002-11-08 Thread Michael Ablassmeier
hi !..

i did some apache chroot environment (php,perl,ssl), and now
some users want to use the php "mail" command, so i have to
include some mta into the chroot.
As far as i know, Sendmail is not a good candiate to chroot.

What mta would you prefer ?
Any hints for me ?
Thanx !
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Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 10:53:10AM -0800, Yogesh Sharma wrote:

> > xhost is for working with connections coming over tcp.  :0.0 uses
> >   a named socket (/tmp/Xsomething), and Debian's X servers don't listen
> >   in on a tcp socket by default (security.  No chance of someone sniffing
> >   your password if nobody can connect remotely!).  Thus, xhost won't work.
> > 
> 
> I am using woody + testing + some unstable:
> 
> in xterm/gnome-terminal usually I do (as normal user)
> xhost +

This disables access control in the X server.  This is, almost always, a
very bad idea.

-- 
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Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread Joseph Pingenot
Indeed.  My mistake.  I just verified that X wasn't listening in to
  tcp/6000, xhost +'ed, and su -'ed, setup the display variable, and it
  worked.
NM.  I'm wrong.  Seems something on this guy's end is borken.

-Joseph

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Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread David Stanaway
On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 11:42, Joseph Pingenot wrote:

> xhost is for working with connections coming over tcp.  :0.0 uses
>   a named socket (/tmp/Xsomething), and Debian's X servers don't listen
>   in on a tcp socket by default (security.  No chance of someone sniffing
>   your password if nobody can connect remotely!).  Thus, xhost won't work.
> 

Try..  
xhost + 'local:*'

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Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread Yogesh Sharma
> xhost is for working with connections coming over tcp.  :0.0 uses
>   a named socket (/tmp/Xsomething), and Debian's X servers don't listen
>   in on a tcp socket by default (security.  No chance of someone sniffing
>   your password if nobody can connect remotely!).  Thus, xhost won't work.
> 

I am using woody + testing + some unstable:

in xterm/gnome-terminal usually I do (as normal user)
xhost +
su -
as root
export DISPLAY=:0.0
and all X programs works



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Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 10:53:10AM -0800, Yogesh Sharma wrote:

> > xhost is for working with connections coming over tcp.  :0.0 uses
> >   a named socket (/tmp/Xsomething), and Debian's X servers don't listen
> >   in on a tcp socket by default (security.  No chance of someone sniffing
> >   your password if nobody can connect remotely!).  Thus, xhost won't work.
> > 
> 
> I am using woody + testing + some unstable:
> 
> in xterm/gnome-terminal usually I do (as normal user)
> xhost +

This disables access control in the X server.  This is, almost always, a
very bad idea.

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Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread Joseph Pingenot
>From Ivan Brezina on Friday, 08 November, 2002:
>Another possibility is:
>su -c vim-gtk 
>you can also use xhost +username for allowing users to connect to our
>Xserver. But this does not work for me on Debian.

xhost is for working with connections coming over tcp.  :0.0 uses
  a named socket (/tmp/Xsomething), and Debian's X servers don't listen
  in on a tcp socket by default (security.  No chance of someone sniffing
  your password if nobody can connect remotely!).  Thus, xhost won't work.

-Joseph

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Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread Joseph Pingenot
Indeed.  My mistake.  I just verified that X wasn't listening in to
  tcp/6000, xhost +'ed, and su -'ed, setup the display variable, and it
  worked.
NM.  I'm wrong.  Seems something on this guy's end is borken.

-Joseph

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Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread David Stanaway
On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 11:42, Joseph Pingenot wrote:

> xhost is for working with connections coming over tcp.  :0.0 uses
>   a named socket (/tmp/Xsomething), and Debian's X servers don't listen
>   in on a tcp socket by default (security.  No chance of someone sniffing
>   your password if nobody can connect remotely!).  Thus, xhost won't work.
> 

Try..  
xhost + 'local:*'

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Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread Yogesh Sharma
> xhost is for working with connections coming over tcp.  :0.0 uses
>   a named socket (/tmp/Xsomething), and Debian's X servers don't listen
>   in on a tcp socket by default (security.  No chance of someone sniffing
>   your password if nobody can connect remotely!).  Thus, xhost won't work.
> 

I am using woody + testing + some unstable:

in xterm/gnome-terminal usually I do (as normal user)
xhost +
su -
as root
export DISPLAY=:0.0
and all X programs works




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Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread Ivan Brezina


On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Joseph Pingenot wrote:

> >From Norbert Preining on Friday, 08 November, 2002:
> >I think that vim-gtk tries to open a window, recognizes that this
> >doesn't work (authorization) and starts normal text mode vi.
> 
> Probably the easiest way to do this is, instead of using su/sudo, run
>   ssh -X localhost.  It'll tunnel your X apps back over the tunnel.  Not
>   as efficient,  but it'll solve permissions problems.  Or, you
>   can have root snag your user .Xauthority file to steal the user cookies.
>   Then you can just set display:0.0.
> 
Another possibility is:
su -c vim-gtk 

you can also use xhost +username for allowing users to connect to our
Xserver. But this does not work for me on Debian.

Ivan





Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread Joseph Pingenot
>From Ivan Brezina on Friday, 08 November, 2002:
>Another possibility is:
>su -c vim-gtk 
>you can also use xhost +username for allowing users to connect to our
>Xserver. But this does not work for me on Debian.

xhost is for working with connections coming over tcp.  :0.0 uses
  a named socket (/tmp/Xsomething), and Debian's X servers don't listen
  in on a tcp socket by default (security.  No chance of someone sniffing
  your password if nobody can connect remotely!).  Thus, xhost won't work.

-Joseph

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Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread Joseph Pingenot
>From Norbert Preining on Friday, 08 November, 2002:
>I think that vim-gtk tries to open a window, recognizes that this
>doesn't work (authorization) and starts normal text mode vi.

Probably the easiest way to do this is, instead of using su/sudo, run
  ssh -X localhost.  It'll tunnel your X apps back over the tunnel.  Not
  as efficient,  but it'll solve permissions problems.  Or, you
  can have root snag your user .Xauthority file to steal the user cookies.
  Then you can just set display:0.0.

-Joseph

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Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Steve Johnson said:
> No, but I have noticed when i open an xterm, su to root and run
> vi(vim-gtk), whenever I quit vi, i get this.
> 
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> myhost:#
> 
> Probably not related, but it seems weird to me, cause it only does this
> in vi, and vi shouldn't be connecting to the xterminal, or it it?

Well, vim-gtk does.  It's an X app (hence the -gtk).  X in debian by
default won't allow this.  You can either use sudo, or set up X to allow
it.
Steve

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Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fre, 08 Nov 2002, Steve Johnson wrote:
> No, but I have noticed when i open an xterm, su to root and run
> vi(vim-gtk), whenever I quit vi, i get this.
> 
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> myhost:#
> 
> Probably not related, but it seems weird to me, cause it only does this
> in vi, and vi shouldn't be connecting to the xterminal, or it it?

I think that vim-gtk tries to open a window, recognizes that this
doesn't work (authorization) and starts normal text mode vi.

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread Steve Johnson
No, but I have noticed when i open an xterm, su to root and run
vi(vim-gtk), whenever I quit vi, i get this.

Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
myhost:#

Probably not related, but it seems weird to me, cause it only does this
in vi, and vi shouldn't be connecting to the xterminal, or it it?


On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 19:25, Time wrote:
> I'm not sure if this is just me, but when I shutdown X properly and then
> `su -` in that terminal I get flooded with Password: prompts. Has anyone
> else seen this?
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Time
> 
> 
> 
>13
> 
>\
> 9   .  3   clockbot.net
>/
> 
> 6
> 




Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread Ivan Brezina


On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Joseph Pingenot wrote:

> >From Norbert Preining on Friday, 08 November, 2002:
> >I think that vim-gtk tries to open a window, recognizes that this
> >doesn't work (authorization) and starts normal text mode vi.
> 
> Probably the easiest way to do this is, instead of using su/sudo, run
>   ssh -X localhost.  It'll tunnel your X apps back over the tunnel.  Not
>   as efficient,  but it'll solve permissions problems.  Or, you
>   can have root snag your user .Xauthority file to steal the user cookies.
>   Then you can just set display:0.0.
> 
Another possibility is:
su -c vim-gtk 

you can also use xhost +username for allowing users to connect to our
Xserver. But this does not work for me on Debian.

Ivan




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Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread Joseph Pingenot
>From Norbert Preining on Friday, 08 November, 2002:
>I think that vim-gtk tries to open a window, recognizes that this
>doesn't work (authorization) and starts normal text mode vi.

Probably the easiest way to do this is, instead of using su/sudo, run
  ssh -X localhost.  It'll tunnel your X apps back over the tunnel.  Not
  as efficient,  but it'll solve permissions problems.  Or, you
  can have root snag your user .Xauthority file to steal the user cookies.
  Then you can just set display:0.0.

-Joseph

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Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Steve Johnson said:
> No, but I have noticed when i open an xterm, su to root and run
> vi(vim-gtk), whenever I quit vi, i get this.
> 
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> myhost:#
> 
> Probably not related, but it seems weird to me, cause it only does this
> in vi, and vi shouldn't be connecting to the xterminal, or it it?

Well, vim-gtk does.  It's an X app (hence the -gtk).  X in debian by
default won't allow this.  You can either use sudo, or set up X to allow
it.
Steve

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Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fre, 08 Nov 2002, Steve Johnson wrote:
> No, but I have noticed when i open an xterm, su to root and run
> vi(vim-gtk), whenever I quit vi, i get this.
> 
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> myhost:#
> 
> Probably not related, but it seems weird to me, cause it only does this
> in vi, and vi shouldn't be connecting to the xterminal, or it it?

I think that vim-gtk tries to open a window, recognizes that this
doesn't work (authorization) and starts normal text mode vi.

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: XFree86 4.2 bug in Debian Testing

2002-11-08 Thread Steve Johnson
No, but I have noticed when i open an xterm, su to root and run
vi(vim-gtk), whenever I quit vi, i get this.

Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
myhost:#

Probably not related, but it seems weird to me, cause it only does this
in vi, and vi shouldn't be connecting to the xterminal, or it it?


On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 19:25, Time wrote:
> I'm not sure if this is just me, but when I shutdown X properly and then
> `su -` in that terminal I get flooded with Password: prompts. Has anyone
> else seen this?
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Time
> 
> 
> 
>13
> 
>\
> 9   .  3   clockbot.net
>/
> 
> 6
> 



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