Re: Virus or what?

[Tapio Lehtonen]

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lejkt lejkt kirjoitti:
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You are crossposting to several mailing lists. I would say none of those is
appropriate for your question. Try mailing to debian-user mailing lists. If you
really think a virus is the cause, you have to show more proof than just a full
disk.

E-mail your question to debian-user or debian-user in some preferred language,
and you may get help in finding out why the disk gets full.

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Re: Spam fighting

[Arthur Machlas]

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Jim Popovitch  wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 17:38, Arthur Machlas  wrote:
>> Forward all mail to a gmail account, then forward back to Debian's
>> list-servs. Spam problem solved.
>
> except Debian pushes hard for their outbound mail host to be
> whitelisted...  which is also a reason the default Spamassassin will
> generally not block spam that comes via Debian.

I have no idea what that means. Nor do I want to. I'm very happy to
let other people do the hard work of eliminating most spam, and it
seems to go pretty well.

The real story here is that Adobe hired a new Marketing Manager who
subscribes to the Donald Rumsfield school of marketing: Ready, Fire,
Aim.


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Re: Virus or what?

[Sjors Gielen]

Op 6 jul 2010, om 02:24 heeft lejkt lejkt het volgende geschreven:

> ~# df -h
> FilesystemSize  Used   Avail   Use% Mounted on
> /dev/sda4  23G   22G 0100%   /

Using du (disk usage) you can see what takes up all the space, like this:

# du -hs /*

Then check further, like this:

# du -hs /usr/*

By the way, please do not crosspost to a million lists. Debian-security is OK 
for this.

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Re: Virus or what?

[Brivaldo Junior]

You see the logs of syslog?? Another thing... Mysql use /tmp sometimes to
execute sqls.. cache, and this isnt default kernel...

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Em 05/07/2010, às 19:24, lejkt lejkt  escreveu:



--

 Hello to all,

*My OS: Debian 5.0 - GNU/Linux
My Kernel : Version 2.6.34-1-686
*
I had originally *9.8 GB* available on the partition  mounted on * /*(root).

with  the following packages already installed: php5,
mysql-server-5.0,phpmyadmin, apache2


But after having installed the following new packages: postfix, dovecot,
squirremail and telnet,

i found this:

*~# df -h
FilesystemSize  Used   Avail   Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda4  23G   22G 0100%   /*

I also found that i can not create or mnage my database (mysql)

~*# /etc/init.d/mysql restart*
*Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld.
/etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full!
failed!*

I try to unstable some package, to clean the disk (aptitude autoclean), no
way still the same problem.

So that i decided to use another computer (laptop)

*My OS in the new laptop: Debian 5.0 - GNU/Linux
My Kernel in the new laptop : Version 2.6.34-1-686
*
now with more than 20 GB on the partition  mounted on /

I made the same installation, but after 2 days of use, i expected the same
problem, partition mounted on / become full and */etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR:
The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full! failed!*

please help me solve this problem.
Thank in advance
James





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Virus or what?

[lejkt lejkt]

Hello to all,

My OS: Debian 5.0 - GNU/Linux 
My Kernel : Version 2.6.34-1-686

I had originally 9.8 GB available on the partition  mounted on  / (root). 

with  the following packages already installed: php5, mysql-server-5.0, 
phpmyadmin, apache2 

But after having installed the following new packages: postfix, dovecot, 
squirremail and telnet, 

i found this: 

~# df -h
FilesystemSize  Used   Avail   Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda4  23G   22G 0100%   /

I also found that i can not create or mnage my database (mysql)

~# /etc/init.d/mysql restart
Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld.
/etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full! failed!

I try to unstable some package, to clean the disk (aptitude autoclean), no way 
still the same problem.

So that i decided to use another computer (laptop) 

My OS in the new laptop: Debian 5.0 - GNU/Linux 

My Kernel in the new laptop : Version 2.6.34-1-686


now with more than 20 GB on the partition  mounted on /

I made the same installation, but after 2 days of use, i expected the same 
problem, partition mounted on / become full and /etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The 
partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full! failed!


please help me solve this problem.
Thank in advance
James




  
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Virus or what?

[lejkt lejkt]

Hello to all,

My OS: Debian 5.0 - GNU/Linux 
My Kernel : Version 2.6.34-1-686

I had originally 9.8 GB available on the partition  mounted on  / (root). 

with  the following packages already installed: php5, mysql-server-5.0, 
phpmyadmin, apache2 

But after having installed the following new packages: postfix, dovecot, 
squirremail and telnet, 

i found this: 

~# df -h
FilesystemSize  Used   Avail   Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda4  23G   22G 0100%   /

I also found that i can not create or mnage my database (mysql)

~# /etc/init.d/mysql restart
Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld.
/etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full! failed!

I try to unstable some package, to clean the disk (aptitude autoclean), no way 
still the same problem.

So that i decided to use another computer (laptop) 

My OS in the new laptop: Debian 5.0 - GNU/Linux 

My Kernel in the new laptop : Version 2.6.34-1-686


now with more than 20 GB on the partition  mounted on /

I made the same installation, but after 2 days of use, i expected the same 
problem, partition mounted on / become full and /etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The 
partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full! failed!


please help me solve this problem.
Thank in advance
James




  
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Re: Spam fighting

[Paul Tagliamonte]

Guys, this is all spam to me. It's coming to the point where I just
want to usubscribe rather then keep watching this ridiculous flame
war.

Let's be big boys and gals and stop fighting.


On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Jim Popovitch  wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 17:38, Arthur Machlas  wrote:
>> Forward all mail to a gmail account, then forward back to Debian's
>> list-servs. Spam problem solved.
>
> except Debian pushes hard for their outbound mail host to be
> whitelisted...  which is also a reason the default Spamassassin will
> generally not block spam that comes via Debian.
>
> -Jim P.
>
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Re: Spam fighting

[Jim Popovitch]

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 17:38, Arthur Machlas  wrote:
> Forward all mail to a gmail account, then forward back to Debian's
> list-servs. Spam problem solved.

except Debian pushes hard for their outbound mail host to be
whitelisted...  which is also a reason the default Spamassassin will
generally not block spam that comes via Debian.

-Jim P.


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Re: Spam fighting

[Arthur Machlas]

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, CaT  wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 02:23:03PM +0200, Wojciech Ziniewicz wrote:
>> Personally i get 0-5 spam messages per month from the debian-isp and
>> debian-security list that are not filtered and appear as non-spam messages.
>> Moreover i see that in my spam folder i have like 3-7 spam messages per
>> hour.
>
> I'm 600 short of 100,000 pieces of spam since 26/1/2010. :) This isn't just
> from debian lists, though. It's all-up.
>
> This does not take into account the false negatives. I'm pretty sure I'm
> over 102,000 with those. That may seem a tad high to some but imo a false
> negative is better than a false positive.
>
> On top of this there are 2,300 virus laden emails over the same time
> period.
>
>> What's the problem actually ?
>
> Unrealistic expectations, I'd say.

Forward all mail to a gmail account, then forward back to Debian's
list-servs. Spam problem solved.

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/sarcasm

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Re: Spam fighting

[CaT]

On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 02:23:03PM +0200, Wojciech Ziniewicz wrote:
> Personally i get 0-5 spam messages per month from the debian-isp and
> debian-security list that are not filtered and appear as non-spam messages.
> Moreover i see that in my spam folder i have like 3-7 spam messages per
> hour.

I'm 600 short of 100,000 pieces of spam since 26/1/2010. :) This isn't just
from debian lists, though. It's all-up.

This does not take into account the false negatives. I'm pretty sure I'm
over 102,000 with those. That may seem a tad high to some but imo a false
negative is better than a false positive.

On top of this there are 2,300 virus laden emails over the same time
period.

> What's the problem actually ?

Unrealistic expectations, I'd say.

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Re: Spam fighting

[Jim Popovitch]

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 09:49, Roger Hanna  wrote:
> Ok Folks, really, your mails about the spam are starting to actually spam!
>
> Wait, this email is then also considered a spam about spamming.
>
> You just can't win.

Good thing the FOSS ppl don't think like that.

-Jim P.


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RE: Spam fighting

[Roger Hanna]

Ok Folks, really, your mails about the spam are starting to actually spam!

Wait, this email is then also considered a spam about spamming.

You just can't win.


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Re: Spam fighting

[Bjoern Meier]

hi,

2010/7/5 Wojciech Ziniewicz :
> 2010/7/5 Bjoern Meier 

> Personally i get 0-5 spam messages per month from the debian-isp and
> debian-security list that are not filtered and appear as non-spam messages.
> Moreover i see that in my spam folder i have like 3-7 spam messages per
> hour.
> What's the problem actually ?

Well, where did I say there is any problem? The possibility to track
the blocked-spam ratio would stop this and further discussion. Just
this.
The lists are an open system and should - IMHO - lets track how
effective the security is. I don't want to know how it's done, but it
would be NTH to see the stats.
Almost everything else could be tracked in Debian, but not the
security on the list? I can accept that, but a simple mailgraph [1]
could be enough (and make any obvious calculations unnecessary).

Just 2 cents, not a complaint

Greetings,
Björn

[1]: http://mailgraph.schweikert.ch/


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Re: Spam fighting

[Eliad B]

On 07/05/2010 04:19 PM, Bjoern Meier wrote:
> hi,
>
> 2010/7/5 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI :
> . No system will ever be 100% accurate
>   
>> and filter all spams.
>> 
> Right. But less then 99.8% - for a private system (which the list is
> not) - is not tolerable. Can the list track how spam is blocked and -
> maybe - an overview how effective this is (like graphs over a few
> periods)?
>
> greetings,
> Björ
Hi,

just some obvious calculations:

assuming that all blocked emails are indeed spams, we have:

/blocked-spams / all-spams = blocked-mail / ( blocked-mail +
not-blocked-spam )/

So,

/blocked-spams / all-spams = 0.95/ / ( 0.95 + 0.05 * /(not-blocked-spam
/ legitimate-mails) )

Y = X/(1-X) * (1/A -1)

in which,
A: //blocked-spams / all-spams/
/X: //blocked-mail / all-mails/
/Y:// not-blocked-spam / legitimate-mail/s
/
/Assuming the goal is to have /blocked-spams / all-spams/ higher than
"0.998", it can be shown that /(not-blocked-spam / legitimate-mail)
/must be less than/ 0.038/. And I *think* it is.

Conclusion: *The system is good enough. *

Yours truly,
Eliad

Re: Spam fighting

[Wojciech Ziniewicz]

2010/7/5 Bjoern Meier 

> hi,
>
> 2010/7/5 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI :
> . No system will ever be 100% accurate
> > and filter all spams.
>
> Right. But less then 99.8% - for a private system (which the list is
> not) - is not tolerable. Can the list track how spam is blocked and -
> maybe - an overview how effective this is (like graphs over a few
> periods)?
>
>
[...]

Personally i get 0-5 spam messages per month from the debian-isp and
debian-security list that are not filtered and appear as non-spam messages.
Moreover i see that in my spam folder i have like 3-7 spam messages per
hour.
What's the problem actually ?

regards
WZ

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Re: Spam fighting

[Bjoern Meier]

hi,

2010/7/5 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI :
. No system will ever be 100% accurate
> and filter all spams.

Right. But less then 99.8% - for a private system (which the list is
not) - is not tolerable. Can the list track how spam is blocked and -
maybe - an overview how effective this is (like graphs over a few
periods)?

greetings,
Björn


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Re: Spam fighting

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On Dom, 04 Jul 2010, Jim Popovitch wrote:

I beleive d.o can (and should)
attempt to block 100% of spam.


While I'm in no way associated with Debian mailing list management,  
I'm pretty certain they do attempt to block 100% of spam. But  
attempting it and achieving it are two different things. No system  
will ever be 100% accurate and filter all spams.



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Re: ...

[Yves-Alexis Perez]

On 05/07/2010 09:19, Michiel Klaver wrote:
> How about putting all new subscribers into 'moderated' and have their
> first messages to the list screened and approved or rejected by humans?

This is not the correct list to discuss this.
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Re: ...

[Michiel Klaver]

So, it's running Mailman as list software?
How about putting all new subscribers into 'moderated' and have their first 
messages to the list screened and approved or rejected by humans?


With kind regards,

Michiel Klaver
IT Professional


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Re: ... FLAME WAR... invalid: BADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B Debian Archive

[Ashley Taylor]

Why isn't all this nonsense bring treated as spam?

On 5 Jul 2010, at 01:23, Don Gould  wrote:

> Man what a load of crap on this list this morning!
>
> aa.  I never get spam in my debian folder because I run two spam filters of 
> my own.  Come on, we have to give some of the job to the user as well as the 
> server.
>
> bb.  A week ago I asked about a real problem that I'm having and got nothing 
> on two lists and the forum.
>
> How about putting some effort into stuff that helps users truck on rather 
> than a flame about stupid spam?!
>
> Cheers Don
>
> On 5/07/2010 12:13 p.m., Jim Popovitch wrote:
>> On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 20:08, Russ Allbery  wrote:
>>> Jim Popovitch  writes:
 On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 19:31, Stephen Gran  wrote:
>>>
> No, Russ implied that reality occasionally intrudes on fantasies of
> spam-free inboxes.
>>>
 Russ stated:
>>>
 It's unlikely to get substantially better than it is (I believe
 we're already rejecting something like 95% of the incoming mail), so
 if it's still not good enough for you, you should probably consider
 unsubscribing.
>>>
 I beleive that 99% is achieveable, and I believe his final
 "unsubscribe" sentence is akin to walking away from the problem.
>>>
>>> Rejecting 99% of the incoming mail would be very bad if 5% of the incoming
>>> mail were legitimate.  I meant exactly what I said: Debian rejects
>>> something like 95% of the incoming mail to the mailing lists according to
>>> the latest message from the listmasters.  If I'd meant that we reject 95%
>>> of the *spam*, I would have said that.
>>
>> Well, there are two ways to read what you originally wrote, and since
>> the thread discussion was on rejecting spam I took your 95% statement
>> to mean d.o was blocking 95% of spam.  I beleive d.o can (and should)
>> attempt to block 100% of spam.
>>
>> You did say the part about "unsubscribe".
>>
>> -Jim P.
>>
>>
>
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Re: ...

[Bjoern Meier]

hi,

2010/7/4 Jim Popovitch :
> How about I volunteer to tackle that remaining 5% rather than giving
> up so easily?
>
> -Jim P.

I like to join.

Greetings,
Bjoern


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