Re: Unusual spam recently - hummm - postprocess

2004-06-03 Thread Blu
On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 04:34:44PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
 Quoting Michael Stone ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 
  Yeah, big difference. If the spam is going through a relay, the relay
  will send the same bounce and the same person will get the bounce
  message. 
 
 Oh, oh!  jumps up and down
 
 Gee, I guess that relay should have rejected the spam instead of relaying
 it, right?  Then, it wouldn't feel a compulsion to issue a completely
 inappropriate bounce [sic] message to a forged sender.
 
 Do I win a prize, or was that just a qualifying round, and the real
 questions, that actually require thinking, will come later?

Are you suggesting then, that we should not relay mail at all?, not even
to/from our customers?

Blu.


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Re: Unusual spam recently - hummm - postprocess

2004-06-03 Thread Blu
On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 04:34:44PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
 Quoting Michael Stone ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 
  Yeah, big difference. If the spam is going through a relay, the relay
  will send the same bounce and the same person will get the bounce
  message. 
 
 Oh, oh!  jumps up and down
 
 Gee, I guess that relay should have rejected the spam instead of relaying
 it, right?  Then, it wouldn't feel a compulsion to issue a completely
 inappropriate bounce [sic] message to a forged sender.
 
 Do I win a prize, or was that just a qualifying round, and the real
 questions, that actually require thinking, will come later?

Are you suggesting then, that we should not relay mail at all?, not even
to/from our customers?

Blu.



Re: Unusual spam recently - hummm - postprocess

2004-06-03 Thread Blu
On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 05:16:10PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote:
 
 On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Blu wrote:
 
  On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 04:34:44PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
 
   Do I win a prize, 
 
 yup :-)
 
  or was that just a qualifying round, and the real
   questions, that actually require thinking, will come later?
  
  Are you suggesting then, that we should not relay mail at all?, not even
  to/from our customers?
 
 you're taking it too far dude ... 
 violating common sense and assumptions is a bad thing ;-)
 
 i think the reject mail from open relay is a good thing
 and is totally different than relay your own or customers mail

I agree, but it was suggested that any mail server should reject spam at
SMTP time, and not bounce it at all. If my relay server (not open, but
relay for customers) has no means to verify recipients, what to do when the
destination server rejects that mail already accepted by my server?.
Bounce.

Blu.