Re[2]: Sendmail DOS

2001-02-22 Thread Jean-Francois JOLY
Hello Berend,

  You're right, it's a good question but:
  It *is* Sendmail ;-)
  I will try the features you told me, what do you think of this
  setting, there is 150 PCs behind a 128k leased line.
  O RefuseLA=15
  O MaxDaemonChildren=30
  O ConnectionRateThrottle=2

  I wonder if "ConnectionRateThrottle" will just make the client wait
  or if he will refuse the connection (would be crazy !).

Thanks. JF.
  
Thursday, February 22, 2001, 12:42:40 PM, you wrote:


BDS> On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:27:07 Antti Tolamo wrote:
BDS> | At 13:16 22.2.2001, Berend De Schouwer wrote:
BDS> | 
BDS> | 
| >>event a DoS, from
| >>their description, if they are implemented correctly.  At least,
| >>they'll offer as much protection as inetd can.  I've used them
| >>before when a mail script when crazy and caused too many
| >>connections.
| >>
| >>Anyway, Debian Potato ships with Exim, not sendmail.
| >>
BDS> | 
BDS> | So?

BDS> So does Nessus talk to sendmail or Exim?  I've had security scanners
BDS> scan my OpenBSD ftp server and list wu-ftpd vulnerabilities.
BDS> Just checking :)

BDS> | Antti
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Re: Sendmail DOS

2001-02-22 Thread Berend De Schouwer

On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:27:07 Antti Tolamo wrote:
| At 13:16 22.2.2001, Berend De Schouwer wrote:
| 
| 
| >event a DoS, from
| >their description, if they are implemented correctly.  At least,
| >they'll offer as much protection as inetd can.  I've used them
| >before when a mail script when crazy and caused too many
| >connections.
| >
| >Anyway, Debian Potato ships with Exim, not sendmail.
| >
| 
| So?

So does Nessus talk to sendmail or Exim?  I've had security scanners
scan my OpenBSD ftp server and list wu-ftpd vulnerabilities.
Just checking :)

| Antti
| 
| 
| --  
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Re: Sendmail DOS

2001-02-22 Thread Antti Tolamo

At 13:16 22.2.2001, Berend De Schouwer wrote:



event a DoS, from
their description, if they are implemented correctly.  At least,
they'll offer as much protection as inetd can.  I've used them
before when a mail script when crazy and caused too many
connections.

Anyway, Debian Potato ships with Exim, not sendmail.



So?

Antti



Re: Sendmail DOS

2001-02-22 Thread Berend De Schouwer

On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:59:06 Jean-Francois JOLY wrote:
| Hello Everybody,
| 
|   I've ran Nessus against some servers and it reports me that
| sendmail
|   is vulnerable to a Syn Flood. I've grabbed utilities to test the
|   vulnerabilitie and haven't succeed to reproduce the problem.
|   I've found no information about this vulnerabilitie.
|   Do you know if this is a true problem or just a false report ?
| 
|   In my configuration, Sendmail is run as a standalone daemon.
|   Should I include it in Xinetd to stop the Problem ?

Somehow I don't think its necessary (I could be wrong).
Look in /etc/sendmail.cf for:

# load average at which we refuse connections
O RefuseLA=10
# maximum number of children we allow at one time
O MaxDaemonChildren=50
# maximum number of new connections per second
O ConnectionRateThrottle=3

Any of the above options should be able to prevent a DoS, from
their description, if they are implemented correctly.  At least,
they'll offer as much protection as inetd can.  I've used them
before when a mail script when crazy and caused too many
connections.

Anyway, Debian Potato ships with Exim, not sendmail.
 
|   Thanks.
| 
| -- 
| Best regards,
|  Jean-Francois  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| 
| 
| 
| --  
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Sendmail DOS

2001-02-22 Thread Jean-Francois JOLY
Hello Everybody,

  I've ran Nessus against some servers and it reports me that sendmail
  is vulnerable to a Syn Flood. I've grabbed utilities to test the
  vulnerabilitie and haven't succeed to reproduce the problem.
  I've found no information about this vulnerabilitie.
  Do you know if this is a true problem or just a false report ?

  In my configuration, Sendmail is run as a standalone daemon.
  Should I include it in Xinetd to stop the Problem ?

  Thanks.

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Re[2]: Sendmail DOS

2001-02-22 Thread Jean-Francois JOLY

Hello Berend,

  You're right, it's a good question but:
  It *is* Sendmail ;-)
  I will try the features you told me, what do you think of this
  setting, there is 150 PCs behind a 128k leased line.
  O RefuseLA=15
  O MaxDaemonChildren=30
  O ConnectionRateThrottle=2

  I wonder if "ConnectionRateThrottle" will just make the client wait
  or if he will refuse the connection (would be crazy !).

Thanks. JF.
  
Thursday, February 22, 2001, 12:42:40 PM, you wrote:


BDS> On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:27:07 Antti Tolamo wrote:
BDS> | At 13:16 22.2.2001, Berend De Schouwer wrote:
BDS> | 
BDS> | 
| >>event a DoS, from
| >>their description, if they are implemented correctly.  At least,
| >>they'll offer as much protection as inetd can.  I've used them
| >>before when a mail script when crazy and caused too many
| >>connections.
| >>
| >>Anyway, Debian Potato ships with Exim, not sendmail.
| >>
BDS> | 
BDS> | So?

BDS> So does Nessus talk to sendmail or Exim?  I've had security scanners
BDS> scan my OpenBSD ftp server and list wu-ftpd vulnerabilities.
BDS> Just checking :)

BDS> | Antti
BDS> | 
BDS> | 
BDS> | --  
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BDS> | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BDS> | 
BDS> Kind regards, 
BDS> Berend  




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Re: Sendmail DOS

2001-02-22 Thread Berend De Schouwer


On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:27:07 Antti Tolamo wrote:
| At 13:16 22.2.2001, Berend De Schouwer wrote:
| 
| 
| >event a DoS, from
| >their description, if they are implemented correctly.  At least,
| >they'll offer as much protection as inetd can.  I've used them
| >before when a mail script when crazy and caused too many
| >connections.
| >
| >Anyway, Debian Potato ships with Exim, not sendmail.
| >
| 
| So?

So does Nessus talk to sendmail or Exim?  I've had security scanners
scan my OpenBSD ftp server and list wu-ftpd vulnerabilities.
Just checking :)

| Antti
| 
| 
| --  
| To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact
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Re: Sendmail DOS

2001-02-22 Thread Antti Tolamo

At 13:16 22.2.2001, Berend De Schouwer wrote:


>event a DoS, from
>their description, if they are implemented correctly.  At least,
>they'll offer as much protection as inetd can.  I've used them
>before when a mail script when crazy and caused too many
>connections.
>
>Anyway, Debian Potato ships with Exim, not sendmail.
>

So?

Antti


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Re: Sendmail DOS

2001-02-22 Thread Berend De Schouwer


On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:59:06 Jean-Francois JOLY wrote:
| Hello Everybody,
| 
|   I've ran Nessus against some servers and it reports me that
| sendmail
|   is vulnerable to a Syn Flood. I've grabbed utilities to test the
|   vulnerabilitie and haven't succeed to reproduce the problem.
|   I've found no information about this vulnerabilitie.
|   Do you know if this is a true problem or just a false report ?
| 
|   In my configuration, Sendmail is run as a standalone daemon.
|   Should I include it in Xinetd to stop the Problem ?

Somehow I don't think its necessary (I could be wrong).
Look in /etc/sendmail.cf for:

# load average at which we refuse connections
O RefuseLA=10
# maximum number of children we allow at one time
O MaxDaemonChildren=50
# maximum number of new connections per second
O ConnectionRateThrottle=3

Any of the above options should be able to prevent a DoS, from
their description, if they are implemented correctly.  At least,
they'll offer as much protection as inetd can.  I've used them
before when a mail script when crazy and caused too many
connections.

Anyway, Debian Potato ships with Exim, not sendmail.
 
|   Thanks.
| 
| -- 
| Best regards,
|  Jean-Francois  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| 
| 
| 
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Sendmail DOS

2001-02-22 Thread Jean-Francois JOLY

Hello Everybody,

  I've ran Nessus against some servers and it reports me that sendmail
  is vulnerable to a Syn Flood. I've grabbed utilities to test the
  vulnerabilitie and haven't succeed to reproduce the problem.
  I've found no information about this vulnerabilitie.
  Do you know if this is a true problem or just a false report ?

  In my configuration, Sendmail is run as a standalone daemon.
  Should I include it in Xinetd to stop the Problem ?

  Thanks.

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Best regards,
 Jean-Francois  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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