Re: FAQlist?

2000-03-31 Thread David Butts
Hello, all-

First off, you guys rock.  Many, many thanks for all the work you've
done.

I've poked around the ultralinux FAQ and a few man pages, but haven't
quite managed to find this: Is it possible to get Xsun to honor the
alt-F[1-6] virtual-console switching keystrokes that XF86_* allow?  I
realize that with a window manager that supports multiple workspaces,
the presence of the virtual consoles is not as critical, but it'd be
nice to have [access to] them.

Thanks again-
David

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Pieter Krul wrote:

 Jim Mintha wrote:
 
  On Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 02:15:18PM -0500, Chad Miller wrote:
   Hi.  Is there a FAQ list?  I have a few questions that I think would just
   annoy most experienced {ultra,}sparc users.
 
  There is a FAQ for sparc linux in general at:
  http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html
 
  at the moment it doesn't have very much that is debian specific.  But
  if you don't find what your looking for, as Ben said just ask the
  list.
 
 Any question that could annoy most experienced users should
 IMHO be asked right away.
 
 I'm quite sure that more Debian specific information will be added
 to the FAQ at www.ultralinux.org in the very near future.
 
 Regards,
 
 Pieter


Re: FAQlist?

2000-03-31 Thread David Butts
Hello, all-

My bad... That's what I get for asking the question w/out reading all
the recent mail first.

ctrl-alt-F[1-6] indeed does the trick.

In a desperate attempt to redeem myself, I'll try to add some new
content to the discussion :)

Is there a particular reason that ctrl-alt- is used instead of just
alt-?  Is it configurable at all?  For that matter, is there an
analog of XF86Config for Xsun?

Thanks again for all the work that has gone into this-
David

On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, David Butts wrote:

 Hello, all-
 
 First off, you guys rock.  Many, many thanks for all the work you've
 done.
 
 I've poked around the ultralinux FAQ and a few man pages, but haven't
 quite managed to find this: Is it possible to get Xsun to honor the
 alt-F[1-6] virtual-console switching keystrokes that XF86_* allow?  I
 realize that with a window manager that supports multiple workspaces,
 the presence of the virtual consoles is not as critical, but it'd be
 nice to have [access to] them.
 
 Thanks again-
 David
 
 On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Pieter Krul wrote:
 
  Jim Mintha wrote:
  
   On Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 02:15:18PM -0500, Chad Miller wrote:
Hi.  Is there a FAQ list?  I have a few questions that I think would 
just
annoy most experienced {ultra,}sparc users.
  
   There is a FAQ for sparc linux in general at:
   http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html
  
   at the moment it doesn't have very much that is debian specific.  But
   if you don't find what your looking for, as Ben said just ask the
   list.
  
  Any question that could annoy most experienced users should
  IMHO be asked right away.
  
  I'm quite sure that more Debian specific information will be added
  to the FAQ at www.ultralinux.org in the very near future.
  
  Regards,
  
  Pieter
 
 
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need bootable Sparc CD

2000-03-31 Thread Phil Howard
I would like to get a full CD of the latest (2.1r5) version of Debian
for Sparc.  Of the various vendors of Debian CDs out there, they all
fall under 1 of 4 categories: 1: dead or unreachable, 2: too lame to
navigate, 3: are unclear about what the CD is (no version information),
4: don't offer 2.1r5.

Maybe someone can make a custom CD?

It has been suggested to me that I just install an earlier verion and
run apt to upgrade.  However, it has been my experience that upgrading
which involves replacing an older version with a newer version can
(this means does not always, but in some cases has been known to) cause
problems itself.  I've personally experienced this on way too many
different systems to be ready to accept an advocate telling me that
Debian would be an exception.  I'm willing to be open minded to that
idea AS I LEARN DEBIAN ... but for my first install, I want to do it
all in one pass first, and come back and play around with it later.

While exploring some areas on the web site some people have suggested,
one possible approach has come to mind.  A network install would have
3 basic steps: 1: get the kernel booted, 2: install the base system,
3: boot the base system and run apt against an HTTP collection of the
rest of the files to build the full system.  The web site listed a
number of different ways to do this, but as it turns out, my situation
prevents me from doing steps 1 and 2 in a viable way.  Thus I have
this suggestion, and I bring it up because it seems so obvious to me
that maybe someone has actually done this already and might have such
a thing available.

The suggestion is, a mini-ISO, burnable into a bootable CD, that does
the installation of ONLY the base system.  Then from that base system
the installation can continue via the network.

I would need a Sparc version of this, if anyone has ever put such a
thing together.  How big would a base-only mini-ISO CD be, anyway?
I would think it could be squeezed to under 40 meg.

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Re: need bootable Sparc CD

2000-03-31 Thread Ben Collins
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 11:36:38PM -0600, Phil Howard wrote:
 I would like to get a full CD of the latest (2.1r5) version of Debian
 for Sparc.  Of the various vendors of Debian CDs out there, they all
 fall under 1 of 4 categories: 1: dead or unreachable, 2: too lame to
 navigate, 3: are unclear about what the CD is (no version information),
 4: don't offer 2.1r5.

2.1r5 is too new to find any CD vendors with it (most still have r4 I'm
sure)

 Maybe someone can make a custom CD?

I might be able to. No guarantees, but let me see.

 It has been suggested to me that I just install an earlier verion and
 run apt to upgrade.  However, it has been my experience that upgrading
 which involves replacing an older version with a newer version can
 (this means does not always, but in some cases has been known to) cause
 problems itself.  I've personally experienced this on way too many
 different systems to be ready to accept an advocate telling me that
 Debian would be an exception.  I'm willing to be open minded to that
 idea AS I LEARN DEBIAN ... but for my first install, I want to do it
 all in one pass first, and come back and play around with it later.

Well, you asked for it :) Debian is *the* exception. We do not release a
whole new dist (and I mean major upgrades like 2.1 to 2.2) that cannot do
seemless upgrades. It's what we pride ourselves on. So 2.1r4 to 2.1r5 is a
cake walk (there are only ~15 packages that changed from r4 to r5, IIRC).
Believe me, it is nothing to upgrade a Debian system using apt-get.

 While exploring some areas on the web site some people have suggested,
 one possible approach has come to mind.  A network install would have
 3 basic steps: 1: get the kernel booted, 2: install the base system,
 3: boot the base system and run apt against an HTTP collection of the
 rest of the files to build the full system.  The web site listed a
 number of different ways to do this, but as it turns out, my situation
 prevents me from doing steps 1 and 2 in a viable way.  Thus I have
 this suggestion, and I bring it up because it seems so obvious to me
 that maybe someone has actually done this already and might have such
 a thing available.
 
 The suggestion is, a mini-ISO, burnable into a bootable CD, that does
 the installation of ONLY the base system.  Then from that base system
 the installation can continue via the network.
 
 I would need a Sparc version of this, if anyone has ever put such a
 thing together.  How big would a base-only mini-ISO CD be, anyway?
 I would think it could be squeezed to under 40 meg.

Wow, you just caught me right before posting this info to the list. I have
a 63 meg bootable ISO image for sparc. However it is potato (2.2
upcoming). IMHO, it is actually much more stable than 2.1rX (for sparc that
is). You should really consider this your best option:

ftp://marcus.debian.net/pub/debian/disks-sparc/

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Ldconfig segfaults

2000-03-31 Thread Manuel Odendahl
Well, i have that same ldconfig segfault bug that some persons
experienced here, so i think it should be fixed :). Well i'm quite new
to all the debian-dev stuff, but Maxime Baudin told me about how to
solve the problem, and as I couldn't find it on the mailing list :

compile ldconfig with a normal optimization, not -O4, or switch back to 
gcc2.7

Well hope this helps,

Manuel Odendahl

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Re: Ldconfig segfaults

2000-03-31 Thread BAUDIN Maxime
On Fri, Mar 31, 2000 at 10:57:51AM +0200, Manuel Odendahl wrote:
 
 compile ldconfig with a normal optimization, not -O4, or switch back to 
 gcc2.7

Hoops, I wanted to write: no optimization at all , or gcc2.7

Last minute: The problem doesn't seem to occur on unstable kernel
(tried 2.3.49 and 2.3.99 official (not cvs) tree without ANY problem from 
ldconfig)

 Well hope this helps,

I guess so

Maxime Baudin