Re: aurora project

2002-06-11 Thread Ingo T. Storm
 I noticed linuxpower went offline for good on June 2nd.
 Anyone know what this means for the Aurora project, or where
 its site has moved to, etc,.?

- The info part of the aurora site has been transferred to
www.auroralinux.org.

- The mailing lists have been moved, but are probably waiting for the
project leader to be active again.

- The downloads have been moved but are on hold since build 0.3 is pretty
much finished but waiting for the installer (auroaconda).

- Every couple of days spot posts an update to his advagato dairy on
http://www.advogato.net/person/spot/diary.html. Last entry is dated June 7
and ends with I'm going to the beach for a week ;-)

Ingo



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Re: Again ss20 serial...

2002-06-11 Thread Marco Gaiarin
Mandi! Marco Gaiarin
  In chel di` si favelave...

I quote myself:

 In a SS20, if i set the serial to 38400 BAUD, really i set this to
 38400 or to some factors like x2 (57600) or x4 (115200)?!

I've done some search with google. Seems that effectively sparc HW have
the serial limited to 38400, more (but nonstandard) higer speed are not
reilable.
But i've found only information about sunos/solaris and *BSD.


I've to setup my sparc as a home gateway with a 56K modem, kicking out
an old 486, so please say me: my sparc (ss20) have seral port limited
to 38400?!

Thanks.

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Re (2): Sound on sun4c

2002-06-11 Thread peter_easthope
Ben, Ian  others,

I still do not understand how Ben got
the OSS API on his Sparc.

it /dev/sndstat has always been there in OSS/Free.

Is OSS/Free installed with Debian Sparc 
2.2.19 and just waiting to be configured?
If so, where do I begin.

The only sound API I see in the dselect
list is ALSA. If there is no API already 
in this system, ALSA would appear to be 
appropriate.

Thanks, Peter E.


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Re: Re (2): Sound on sun4c

2002-06-11 Thread Ian Tester
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ben, Ian  others,

 I still do not understand how Ben got
 the OSS API on his Sparc.

 it /dev/sndstat has always been there in OSS/Free.

 Is OSS/Free installed with Debian Sparc
 2.2.19 and just waiting to be configured?
 If so, where do I begin.

No, it would appear that OSS/Free (and most likely the commercial OSS too)
really only supports PC sound cards. For Sparc machines we have a
seperate SparcAudio subsystem, and it lives in drivers/sbus/audio/ in the kernel
source. It supports AMD-7930, CS-4231, and DBRI sound hardware, which seems
to cover most or all SparcStation boxes. Like I said in my other post,
SparcAudio does not cover the complete OSS interface. You don't get
/dev/sndstat, but /dev/dsp /dev/audio and /dev/mixer all work. So pretty much
any OSS-compatible software should work, baring perhaps endian issues.

I don't think /dev/sndstat was ever used by any program anyway. Shell
scripts, maybe. Basically it was just a simple mechanism for users to check
their sound driver setup. Since the sound hardware is built into SparcStations,
there's very little to screw up.

 The only sound API I see in the dselect
 list is ALSA. If there is no API already
 in this system, ALSA would appear to be
 appropriate.

No, just load the sparcaudio modules or compile a kernel with them. I've always
relied on my own compiled kernels so I don't really know what's included with
the supplied kernels and modules.

Now ALSA would be interesting to get working on Sparc. I gather that almost all
developement (apart from absolutely necessary maintainance work) on OSS/Free has
ceased; pretty much everyone's moved over to ALSA for quite a while. Especially
work on the newer whiz-bang PCI sound cards, which is the whole reason why ALSA
came about in the first place. ALSA recently went into Linus' 2.5 kernel I
believe.

The existing SparcAudio drivers don't appear to be that big and it might not
take too much work to port them over to the ALSA framework. But audio isn't too
important on the old Sparc's, so don't hold your breath. Sorry.

bye

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Window Managers

2002-06-11 Thread Aravind Vinnakota
Hi all,
  Thanks for all the responses. I tried twm, gnome, icewm, blackbox and
tldesk window managers. Of which I could not find any browsers other than
lynx. The netscape browser which is coming default with some of the window
managers does not seem to execute. When I use gnome all the the windows
seem to settle on the extreme left top corner. I dont know where I am
making a mistake, but I am looking for something like KDE or GNOME like on
redhat where we have plenty of options, large number of browsers, etc. I
think I am unable to find the right one. Any suggestions? Please cc me.

thanks in advance, 
Aravind


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Re: Window Managers

2002-06-11 Thread Erik Steffl
Aravind Vinnakota wrote:
 
 Hi all,
   Thanks for all the responses. I tried twm, gnome, icewm, blackbox and
 tldesk window managers. Of which I could not find any browsers other than
 lynx. The netscape browser which is coming default with some of the window
 managers does not seem to execute. When I use gnome all the the windows
 seem to settle on the extreme left top corner. I dont know where I am
 making a mistake, but I am looking for something like KDE or GNOME like on
 redhat where we have plenty of options, large number of browsers, etc. I
 think I am unable to find the right one. Any suggestions? Please cc me.

  you can install gnome and/or kde, just like on redhat.

  you can also install browsers, use apt-cache search to search for
packages, or dselect or aptitude to browse packages (or debian.org web
page) and install all the browsers you need. The most popular seem to be
mozilla and galeon, KDE comes with konqueror, there is number of other
browsers as well...

  the browsers do not come with window managers (or desktop
environments), the window manager just manages the windows, the menu is
created based on applications installed (each package can provide a manu
entry, see /usr/lib/menu).

  if an application does not execute from menu, try to execute it from
command line (xterm or other terminal program) and see if you get any
error messages. Check the /usr/lib/menu to see how window manager tries
to execute the program.

  the placement of windows is function of window manager, check the docs
for the given window manager.

erik


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Re (3): Sound on sun4c

2002-06-11 Thread peter_easthope
Ian  others,

it just load the sparcaudio modules 

audio and amd7930 are loaded.  There
is no module called sparcaudio with
kernel release 2.2.19.

it ... or compile a kernel with them.

OK.  That is no obstacle.  Yet Ben 
Collins did not mention compiling  
a kernel to get an OSS API.

Still seems I am missing something.

Regards,   Peter E.


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Re: Again ss20 serial...

2002-06-11 Thread Jean-Paul Blaquiere
 On Jun 11, Marco Gaiarin illuminated :

 I've done some search with google. Seems that effectively sparc HW have
 the serial limited to 38400, more (but nonstandard) higer speed are not
 reilable.
 But i've found only information about sunos/solaris and *BSD.
 
yes that's right.  hardware limited to 38400.  The OS on top of it doesn't
make a difference.


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Re: Again ss20 serial...

2002-06-11 Thread Mark Zimmerman
On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 10:32:40AM +0800, Jean-Paul Blaquiere wrote:
  On Jun 11, Marco Gaiarin illuminated :
 
  I've done some search with google. Seems that effectively sparc HW have
  the serial limited to 38400, more (but nonstandard) higer speed are not
  reilable.
  But i've found only information about sunos/solaris and *BSD.
  
 yes that's right.  hardware limited to 38400.  The OS on top of it doesn't
 make a difference.
 

However, I believe there are sbus serial cards with linux support and
you might be able to find a used one on ebay or something. I am using
a magma card in an old IPX for this purpose (with OpenBSD) and it
works quite well. Check the supported hardware list if you want to try
this. I know that there is no magma support (hence my OpenBSD box) but
I recall seeing that there are some...

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