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Re: Woody/SS5 upgrade problem
Looks like I lied earlier - I can't ping anything, including localhost! I keep on getting "Network is unreachable" errors. Ifconfig says that both eth0 and lo interfaces are up, so I'm getting more confused... Neil On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 10:41:50AM -0700, Patrick Morris wrote: > At the risk of asking a dumb question... have you tried pointing to > a working DNS server in your resolv.conf? You don't need to run named > to resolve DNS names. > > On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Neil Gruending wrote: > > > Since named isn't resolving, how can I > > finish upgrading my system, or do I need to burn a CD and start over? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
this is a test
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Re: install on Ultra 10
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 12:04:17PM -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > I have downloaded the woody floppy images for sun4u architecture and > dd'd them on 1.44 floppies. I am reasonably sure the floppies are > good - in any case, after the dd, I did a cmp and it succeeds (no > differences). > > After booting into Solaris (SunOS 5.8) I hit Stop-A and get the boot > prompt. I insert the floppy and say "boot floppy". The floppy drive > makes spinning-up noise ... and I get this: Booting from floppy on U10's isn't going to work. Try one of the other solutions. -- Debian - http://www.debian.org/ Linux 1394 - http://linux1394.sourceforge.net/ Subversion - http://subversion.tigris.org/ Deqo - http://www.deqo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody/SS5 upgrade problem
> Do I need to worry about the unimplemented SPARC system calls? Well, they mean your libc is way ahead of your kernel... you should definitely consider upgrading to a 2.4 kernel anyway... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Installing Debian on a Sparc Classic
Hello folks, Is it possible to install Debian on an old Sparc Classic Workstation ? If yes, what for version of Debian ? Is it possible to buy a set of CD ? I've just a little connexion with a 56k modem. Kinds regards Philippe Fischer Tramelan - Switzerland CLLU (Chocolate Land Linux Users ;-))) ) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Sparc is best?
Is there anymore info on this available. I am having a problem (user problem) here. First, the binary listed in the email entry refered to below doesn't exist on the server. So, no worries, I will compile it right (it has directions to modify the source). So I do apt-get source libssl0.9.6. Where does the source get put? Where are the files located that I need to edit. I cannot find them. I am new to debian. I looked on all of the servers for debian stuff that I could find, but only found package lists, not any actual packages. Same with a google search for .db libssl0.9.6 Help! I really need to get this to speed up on my poor 2x50Mhz SS20 that maybe losing a processor to what appears to be a cache failure (separate issue). Thanks, James On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Roger Burton West wrote: > On or about Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 09:45:30AM -0400, Eloy A. Paris typed: > > >I'll search the archives to see what compiled optons I need > >to make this insane slowness go away (if anyone remember of the top of > >their heads please let me know.) > > See > http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2002/debian-sparc-200203/msg00189.html > for details and a pre-built package. > > Roger > > > -- James Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 59959089 "Thinking implies disagreement; and disagreement implies non-comformity; and non-comformity implies heresy; and heresy implies disloyality -- so obviously thinking must be stopped" [Call to Greatness, 1954] -- Adlai Stephenson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody/SS5 upgrade problem
My resolve.conf lists my firewall (SS2+Solaris) as my DNS server. The SS5 resolved everything when I started the upgrade. I tried pinging the firewall by name which didn't work, but the IP address did. From past experience the only time when I can't ping my firewall by name I can't ping it by IP either. To be 100% sure, I'll try again. Do I need to worry about the unimplemented SPARC system calls? They sound ominous. Neil On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 10:41:50AM -0700, Patrick Morris wrote: > At the risk of asking a dumb question... have you tried pointing to > a working DNS server in your resolv.conf? You don't need to run named > to resolve DNS names. > > On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Neil Gruending wrote: > > > Since named isn't resolving, how can I > > finish upgrading my system, or do I need to burn a CD and start over? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
install on Ultra 10
I have downloaded the woody floppy images for sun4u architecture and dd'd them on 1.44 floppies. I am reasonably sure the floppies are good - in any case, after the dd, I did a cmp and it succeeds (no differences). After booting into Solaris (SunOS 5.8) I hit Stop-A and get the boot prompt. I insert the floppy and say "boot floppy". The floppy drive makes spinning-up noise ... and I get this: Bad magic number in disk label The installation manual mentions disk labels, but in the context of partitioning, so I took it to apply only to hard disk partitions. What to do? -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 EngSoc adopts market economy: cheap is wasteful, efficient is expensive. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Sparc is best?
* Fabien SEISEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020724 08:27]: > on my SS10, SSH v2 take nearly 30secs before prompting for password > (at debug1: expecting SSH2_G_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY), > SSH v1 take less than 1 second. Yep, a link to my detailed posting was posted elsewhere in this thread. http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2002/debian-sparc-200203/msg00189.html There it is again, just in case. Also, I have a more recent package available at http://sunsparc.org/linux/libssl0.9.6_0.9.6c-2_sparc.deb at the moment... at some point, I'll probably set up something more formal. You can follow the instructions in the message linked above, but either way, you should end up with a new libssl0.9.6 package. Once you've done that, dpkg -i it, then do a echo libssl0.9.6 hold | dpkg --set-selections To put a hold on the package so that it won't get replaced with your next apt-get upgrade. Finally, restart sshd, and you should be golden. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody/SS5 upgrade problem
At the risk of asking a dumb question... have you tried pointing to a working DNS server in your resolv.conf? You don't need to run named to resolve DNS names. On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Neil Gruending wrote: > Since named isn't resolving, how can I > finish upgrading my system, or do I need to burn a CD and start over? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.2.21...
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 05:55:27PM +0200, Marco Gaiarin wrote: > > I had a plain potato SS10 with kernel 2.2.19. Very happy. > > > I've upgraded to woody, then compiled the newer 2.2 series kernel, > 2.2.21 (i've 2.4.18 in a ss20, seems good but...) and then i found into > /var/log/kern.log a bounch of: > > Jul 24 17:43:09 neo kernel: VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. > Jul 24 17:43:09 neo kernel: init[1]: Unimplemented SPARC system call 69 > Jul 24 17:43:09 neo kernel: Adding Swap: 131032k swap-space (priority -1) > Jul 24 17:43:09 neo kernel: quotaon[71]: Unimplemented SPARC system call 53 > Jul 24 17:43:09 neo kernel: eth0: Carrier Lost, trying TPE > Jul 24 17:43:09 neo kernel: portmap[99]: Unimplemented SPARC system call 87 > Jul 24 17:43:09 neo kernel: cp[118]: Unimplemented SPARC system call 69 > Jul 24 17:43:09 neo kernel: mv[218]: Unimplemented SPARC system call 69 > Jul 24 17:43:15 neo kernel: exim[270]: Unimplemented SPARC system call 69 Ignore those. They are unimplemented syscalls for LFS in glibc. They are non-fatal. -- Debian - http://www.debian.org/ Linux 1394 - http://linux1394.sourceforge.net/ Subversion - http://subversion.tigris.org/ Deqo - http://www.deqo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Woody/SS5 upgrade problem
I tried upgrading my SS5 from the last potato release to woody last night and things didn't go so well. Using apt-get, I did a update and then a dist-upgrade. Halfway through the upgrade, dpkg died with a broken pipe. I also saw some warnings about unimplemented SPARC system calls associated with inetd and ssh. Anyways, I rebooted the system and tried over and now named doesn't work - it complains about the SPARC system calls. I had everything working fine with potato. Since named isn't resolving, how can I finish upgrading my system, or do I need to burn a CD and start over? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Neil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kernel 2.2.21...
I had a plain potato SS10 with kernel 2.2.19. Very happy. I've upgraded to woody, then compiled the newer 2.2 series kernel, 2.2.21 (i've 2.4.18 in a ss20, seems good but...) and then i found into /var/log/kern.log a bounch of: Jul 24 17:43:09 neo kernel: VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. Jul 24 17:43:09 neo kernel: init[1]: Unimplemented SPARC system call 69 Jul 24 17:43:09 neo kernel: Adding Swap: 131032k swap-space (priority -1) Jul 24 17:43:09 neo kernel: quotaon[71]: Unimplemented SPARC system call 53 Jul 24 17:43:09 neo kernel: eth0: Carrier Lost, trying TPE Jul 24 17:43:09 neo kernel: portmap[99]: Unimplemented SPARC system call 87 Jul 24 17:43:09 neo kernel: cp[118]: Unimplemented SPARC system call 69 Jul 24 17:43:09 neo kernel: mv[218]: Unimplemented SPARC system call 69 Jul 24 17:43:15 neo kernel: exim[270]: Unimplemented SPARC system call 69 Better back to 2.2.19, better move to 2.4.18 or ignore at all?! Thanks. -- dott. Marco Gaiarin GNUPG Key ID: 240A3D66 Associazione ``La Nostra Famiglia''http://www.sv.lnf.it/ Polo FVG - Via della Bontà, 7 - 33078 - San Vito al Tagliamento (PN) gaio(at)sv.lnf.it tel +39-0434-842711fax +39-0434-842797 Supporta il disegno di legge sul software libero! http://www.softwarelibero.it/news/news020417_01.shtml -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ssl and glibc (maybe more) for > sparcv7
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 05:38:28PM +0200, Christian J?nsson wrote: > Well, I meant to have the distribution like it is and make versions of > glibc and ssl that comes to my mind also available from somewhere > officiall debian site... "Official" would mean in the archive, which is what creates the problems. -- Debian - http://www.debian.org/ Linux 1394 - http://linux1394.sourceforge.net/ Subversion - http://subversion.tigris.org/ Deqo - http://www.deqo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Ssl and glibc (maybe more) for > sparcv7
Well, I meant to have the distribution like it is and make versions of glibc and ssl that comes to my mind also available from somewhere officiall debian site... /ChJ -Original Message- From: Ben Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 5:21 PM To: Christian J?nsson Cc: 'Debian Sparc' Subject: Re: Ssl and glibc (maybe more) for > sparcv7 On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 05:04:41PM +0200, Christian J?nsson wrote: > Now that woody is out the door, I'd like to pick up the issue of > having alternatives for ssh, ssl, glibc and perhaps more (what about > Xfree > packages) that can take advantage of sun4m, for instance, abilities > better? No, not an alternative. Sparc v7 users will likely see woody as their last usable Debian release. I want to move the compiler to default to sparcv8 instructions. Don't all bitch at once though :) Woody will be the stable release for atleast 1.5 years. I've thought about doing v9 optimized stuff again (like I did before), but that's way too much overhead in the package system. Not to mention that it causes all kinds of conflicts when upgrading. -- Debian - http://www.debian.org/ Linux 1394 - http://linux1394.sourceforge.net/ Subversion - http://subversion.tigris.org/ Deqo - http://www.deqo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ssl and glibc (maybe more) for > sparcv7
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 05:04:41PM +0200, Christian J?nsson wrote: > Now that woody is out the door, I'd like to pick up the issue of having > alternatives for ssh, ssl, glibc and perhaps more (what about Xfree > packages) that can take advantage of sun4m, for instance, abilities > better? No, not an alternative. Sparc v7 users will likely see woody as their last usable Debian release. I want to move the compiler to default to sparcv8 instructions. Don't all bitch at once though :) Woody will be the stable release for atleast 1.5 years. I've thought about doing v9 optimized stuff again (like I did before), but that's way too much overhead in the package system. Not to mention that it causes all kinds of conflicts when upgrading. -- Debian - http://www.debian.org/ Linux 1394 - http://linux1394.sourceforge.net/ Subversion - http://subversion.tigris.org/ Deqo - http://www.deqo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Sparc is best?
Joshua Uziel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Another question... Are there any Package disadvantages in using a >> Sparc over an Intel box using Debian? Is the same range of Debian >> software available for all CPU's? > > With the exception of non-free software... Adobe Acrobat, etc., it's > pretty much the same. Besides the occasional bug of something that > needs something like an endian or byte-alignment fix (getting more and > more rare these days), the only issue I see is that Debian/SPARC is > compiled for the lowest common denominator... the sun4c/sparcv7 systems. > Those don't have the integer multiply and divide instructions... the > only place I've noticed it is in using sshd, as it uses libssl (which > apparently does a lot of integer multiplication and/or division). For > the most part, fortunately, this won't be much of an issue. on my SS10, SSH v2 take nearly 30secs before prompting for password (at debug1: expecting SSH2_G_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY), SSH v1 take less than 1 second. cpu : Texas Instruments, Inc. - SuperSparc-(II) fpu : SuperSparc on-chip FPU promlib : Version 3 Revision 2 prom: 2.25 type: sun4m ncpus probed: 2 ncpus active: 2 Cpu0Bogo: 74.75 Cpu1Bogo: 74.95 U type: TI Viking/CC contexts: 65536 nocache total : 1048576 nocache used: 477952 CPU0: online CPU1: online -- Fabien Seisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG ID 1024D/112189D8 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Sparc is best? (SCSI card)
On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Craig Morehouse wrote: > On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:03:39 -0400, Ferris McCormick wrote: > > > On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Craig Morehouse wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:54:48 -0400, Ben Collins wrote: <...> > >> > > >> > 1) The early IDE line. E.g. Ultra 5 or 10. The reason being that the > >> > machines are cheap to maintain and offer decent performance. > >> > > >> > 2) PCI SCSI based systems. E.g. Ultra 2, 30, 60. If you're interested > >> > in SMP based systems, the 2 and 60 are the way to go. Debian's > >> > primary archive (aka ftp-master, aka auric) is an Ultra60 with dual > >> > 450mhz cpu's, 1.5 gigs of ram and a ~240gig raid5 > > > > For what it's worth, my experience with Linux (Debian & SuSE) on an > > Ultra10 suggests that if you are going to stress the disk much at all, > > on such a system, you will want to use one of your expansion slots for a > > SCSI card. Others will have better information, though. > > > > Regards, > > Ferris > > > > This makes much sense. I use SCSI on all the important Intel boxes. > > One question, though, which SCSI cards work best on UltraSparcs and > Debian? > > Thanks. > I have an Ultra10 with a card the system identifies as: 02:04.0 SCSI storage controller: Symbios Logic Inc. (formerly NCR) 53c875 (rev 04) Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 6646528 I/O ports at 2000400 Memory at f9ff2000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) Memory at f9ff4000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) Expansion ROM at 0004 [disabled] with external SCSI-III disk(s). It uses the scsi driver, which David S. Miller called "one of the best scsi drivers in the tree" in response to a similar question last April on the mailing list. It's worked fine for me for about 9 months now. In the interest of full disclosure: Debian installs fine for me over this driver, but for various compatibility reasons, my primary OS on this system is SuSE 7.3. I don't know why that should matter at the driver level, though, since that should be independent from whose name is on the release(?) Regards, -- Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Phone: (703) 392-0303 Fax: (703) 392-0401 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ssl and glibc (maybe more) for > sparcv7
Now that woody is out the door, I'd like to pick up the issue of having alternatives for ssh, ssl, glibc and perhaps more (what about Xfree packages) that can take advantage of sun4m, for instance, abilities better? Cheers, /ChJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SS1(sun4c) upgrade to Woody trouble..
> gonzales:/home/waldner# dpkg --configure -a > Setting up locales (2.2.5-10) ... > Installing new version of config file /etc/locale.alias ... > Generating locales... > de_AT.ISO-8859-1... done > [EMAIL PROTECTED] done > en_US.ISO-8859-1... done > en_US.UTF-8... > To get you through the upgrade, I suggest temporarily removing the locales package. Reinstall it after the upgrade is complete, if you want. -- Debian - http://www.debian.org/ Linux 1394 - http://linux1394.sourceforge.net/ Subversion - http://subversion.tigris.org/ Deqo - http://www.deqo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Sparc is best?
Thank you very much Roger, that did the trick. The pre-built package is one release behind what we have in unstable, so I built my own package. Works like a charm. It's nice to finally understand what was going on here. My ssh now rocks. Cheers, Eloy.- On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 02:52:32PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: > On or about Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 09:45:30AM -0400, Eloy A. Paris typed: > > >I'll search the archives to see what compiled optons I need > >to make this insane slowness go away (if anyone remember of the top of > >their heads please let me know.) > > See > http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2002/debian-sparc-200203/msg00189.html > for details and a pre-built package. > > Roger > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SS1(sun4c) upgrade to Woody trouble..
Hi! For the last few days I've been trying to upgrade my veteran SS1 to Woody, now that that's stable. But: as soon as it's done fetching packages and starts to configure them, load goes tits-up until it completely stops responding. Well, it continues to answer ICMP and TCP, but no service behind responds, until the TCP-session finally timeouts. I can get to PROM via the console, but nothing else responds there also. Running `while true; do sleep 60; uptime; free; done` in another shell, I can watch it grind to a halt: 2:38pm up 21:18, 2 users, load average: 6.15, 6.67, 5.71 total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 13980 13372608 4508 1064 5320 -/+ buffers/cache: 6988 6992 Swap: 179252 22144 157108 <...> 3:52pm up 22:33, 2 users, load average: 26.43, 25.91, 22.91 total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 13980 13704276 4364 1064 4600 -/+ buffers/cache: 8040 5940 Swap: 179252 39828 139424 (Well, actually one iteration through the loop takes some 20 minutes now) I've let it run for over 2 days the last time until I finally gave in and rebooted. AH, yes, since I interrupted dpkg I'm now running `dpkg --configure -a`, which came this far since starting 5 hours ago: gonzales:/home/waldner# dpkg --configure -a Setting up locales (2.2.5-10) ... Installing new version of config file /etc/locale.alias ... Generating locales... de_AT.ISO-8859-1... done [EMAIL PROTECTED] done en_US.ISO-8859-1... done en_US.UTF-8... Heck, even upgrading ssh incl. generating a shitload of new keys was faster. If you have suggestions, my thankfulness will haunt you ;) cheers+TIA, &rw -- -- "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates to me that it would -- be superior to what I have now..." (Taki Kogoma) signature.ng Description: PGP signature
Re: Woody/U1 installation problems
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 01:39:46PM +0100, Stuart Yarrow wrote: > Hello again :-) > > Installing Woody on an Ultra 1 via RARP/TFTP/HTTP using standard files from > a mirror... > > Immediately before it enters the kernel module installation menu, > > cannot create /proc/sys/kernel/modprobe: directory nonexistant > > appears on the background of the display. I'm not sure whether this is a > problem... > > If I try to create a boot disk, the machine hangs as soon as I press enter, > and does not respond to Stop-a. The floppy spins in the drive, but there is > no head movement. This appears to be the same problem as I wrote about > before when booting from floppies. Formatting a floppy from an Ultra has always caused crashes. I'm not sure why I've left that option enabled. > Assuming that I skip the boot disk creation, all is well until I reboot from > the hard disk for the first time, when I get all the way to the first > dialogue box saying 'Congratulations, you have successfully installed > Debian!' etc, but when I hit enter to continue the machine crashes with a > long series of dumps. > > I also noticed that, as someone else mentioned, it can't read the hardware > clock as it is booting...am I right in thinking that the next stage of the > configuration would be setting up the time zone? Is it possible that this > crash is due to the clock not being set? It's possible that some driver being enabled (when it shouldn't on a U1) is causing the problem. Do you have the ability to compile a kernel? If not, I can try to compile one for you with some things disabled, so you can test. Ben -- Debian - http://www.debian.org/ Linux 1394 - http://linux1394.sourceforge.net/ Subversion - http://subversion.tigris.org/ Deqo - http://www.deqo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Sparc is best?
On or about Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 09:45:30AM -0400, Eloy A. Paris typed: >I'll search the archives to see what compiled optons I need >to make this insane slowness go away (if anyone remember of the top of >their heads please let me know.) See http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2002/debian-sparc-200203/msg00189.html for details and a pre-built package. Roger -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Sparc is best?
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 09:42:27AM -0400, Mark Eichin wrote: > > But this is great, nothing that a recompile wouldn't fix :) > > There was discussion on debian-sparc about how to come up with a sane > alternative package for the architectures that could deal; I don't > think it reached any resolution, though, but you can dig through and > find what compile options actually *worked* (just doing an "apt-get > source -b" won't produce a library that is any different...) Yes, I just found this out (recompiled openssh and the thing is still darn slow.) I'll search the archives to see what compiled optons I need to make this insane slowness go away (if anyone remember of the top of their heads please let me know.) Cheers! Eloy.- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Sparc is best?
> But this is great, nothing that a recompile wouldn't fix :) There was discussion on debian-sparc about how to come up with a sane alternative package for the architectures that could deal; I don't think it reached any resolution, though, but you can dig through and find what compile options actually *worked* (just doing an "apt-get source -b" won't produce a library that is any different...) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Sparc is best?
On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:03:39 -0400, Ferris McCormick wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Craig Morehouse wrote: > >> On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:54:48 -0400, Ben Collins wrote: >> >> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 06:46:56PM -0400, Craig Morehouse wrote: >> >> I'm new to Debian, but am going to be buying 30 workstations for a >> >> new operation, and I'd like to use Sun hardware running 3.0 Woody. >> >> >> >> Question, which Sun box has proven to be REALLY good and solid with >> >> Debian? Are the Ultra 2's better than Ultra 5's or 10's, or vice >> >> versa? Should I build a bunch os SS20's with 4 cpus, or should I get >> >> the latest Blade? >> > >> > For the most tested and stable machines, go with an UltraSPARC. I'd >> > suggest one of two types of systems. >> > >> > 1) The early IDE line. E.g. Ultra 5 or 10. The reason being that the >> > machines are cheap to maintain and offer decent performance. >> > >> > 2) PCI SCSI based systems. E.g. Ultra 2, 30, 60. If you're interested >> > in SMP based systems, the 2 and 60 are the way to go. Debian's >> > primary archive (aka ftp-master, aka auric) is an Ultra60 with dual >> > 450mhz cpu's, 1.5 gigs of ram and a ~240gig raid5 > > For what it's worth, my experience with Linux (Debian & SuSE) on an > Ultra10 suggests that if you are going to stress the disk much at all, > on such a system, you will want to use one of your expansion slots for a > SCSI card. Others will have better information, though. > > Regards, > Ferris > This makes much sense. I use SCSI on all the important Intel boxes. One question, though, which SCSI cards work best on UltraSparcs and Debian? Thanks. > >> Thanks, Ben. >> >> We had some early Blades last year, and I really thought that a dual >> CPU >> Ultra2 was a better box. >> >> Does Debian install nicely on the Ultra 5's and 10's? As you said, >> there are plenty >> of 10's around at nice prices. >> >> Another question... Are there any Package disadvantages in using a >> Sparc >> over an Intel box using Debian? Is the same range of Debian software >> available for all CPU's? >> >> Thanks, >> Craig >> >> >> >> -- >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a >> subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > -- > Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Phone: (703) > 392-0303 > Fax: (703) 392-0401 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Woody on Ultra 1 - hangs after root floppy inserted
On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 02:13:49PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote: [cut] > Ok. Well, I've never tested the floppy booting, because I don't have a > machine capable of doing it. So if someone willing wants to fiddle > around with the boot-floppies package (particularly the part that > creates the rescue disk, which is where it gets the options for the > initrd, and other things) then feel free to do so. On my Ultra1 I installed woody a while ago (still with 2.4.10). I also installed a 2.4.18 kernel on it and whenever I want to use a floppy (using mtools or so), the machine completely freezes. So I think it's rather a kernel problem than a boot floppies problem. armijn -- --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.nl.linux.org/~armijn/ | Penguin Power --- http://nl.linux.org/ | Alles over Linux --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Woody/U1 installation problems
Hello again :-) Installing Woody on an Ultra 1 via RARP/TFTP/HTTP using standard files from a mirror... Immediately before it enters the kernel module installation menu, cannot create /proc/sys/kernel/modprobe: directory nonexistant appears on the background of the display. I'm not sure whether this is a problem... If I try to create a boot disk, the machine hangs as soon as I press enter, and does not respond to Stop-a. The floppy spins in the drive, but there is no head movement. This appears to be the same problem as I wrote about before when booting from floppies. Assuming that I skip the boot disk creation, all is well until I reboot from the hard disk for the first time, when I get all the way to the first dialogue box saying 'Congratulations, you have successfully installed Debian!' etc, but when I hit enter to continue the machine crashes with a long series of dumps. I also noticed that, as someone else mentioned, it can't read the hardware clock as it is booting...am I right in thinking that the next stage of the configuration would be setting up the time zone? Is it possible that this crash is due to the clock not being set? again, any advice very much appreciated cheers -Stu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Sparc is best?
On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 11:32:10PM -0700, Joshua Uziel wrote: > the only issue I see is that Debian/SPARC is compiled for the lowest > common denominator... the sun4c/sparcv7 systems. Those don't have > the integer multiply and divide instructions... the only place I've > noticed it is in using sshd, as it uses libssl (which apparently does > a lot of integer multiplication and/or division). Ohh!!! Thanks a lot! I had been wondering why ssh'ing into my Ultra 5 took so long compared to ssh'ing into an i386, or other Ultra's running Solaris. I even asked my sysadmin. if the UltraSparc had a FPU. If the FPU is not used, nor the mul and div instructions, no wonder it is slow. But this is great, nothing that a recompile wouldn't fix :) Cheers! Eloy.- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Sparc is best?
On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Craig Morehouse wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:54:48 -0400, Ben Collins wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 06:46:56PM -0400, Craig Morehouse wrote: > >> I'm new to Debian, but am going to be buying 30 workstations for a new > >> operation, and I'd like to use Sun hardware running 3.0 Woody. > >> > >> Question, which Sun box has proven to be REALLY good and solid with > >> Debian? Are the Ultra 2's better than Ultra 5's or 10's, or vice versa? > >> Should I build a bunch os SS20's with 4 cpus, or should I get the > >> latest Blade? > > > > For the most tested and stable machines, go with an UltraSPARC. I'd > > suggest one of two types of systems. > > > > 1) The early IDE line. E.g. Ultra 5 or 10. The reason being that the > > machines are cheap to maintain and offer decent performance. > > > > 2) PCI SCSI based systems. E.g. Ultra 2, 30, 60. If you're interested in > > SMP based systems, the 2 and 60 are the way to go. Debian's primary > > archive (aka ftp-master, aka auric) is an Ultra60 with dual 450mhz > > cpu's, 1.5 gigs of ram and a ~240gig raid5 For what it's worth, my experience with Linux (Debian & SuSE) on an Ultra10 suggests that if you are going to stress the disk much at all, on such a system, you will want to use one of your expansion slots for a SCSI card. Others will have better information, though. Regards, Ferris > > Thanks, Ben. > > We had some early Blades last year, and I really thought that a dual CPU > Ultra2 was a better box. > > Does Debian install nicely on the Ultra 5's and 10's? As you said, > there are plenty > of 10's around at nice prices. > > Another question... Are there any Package disadvantages in using a Sparc > over an Intel box using Debian? Is the same range of Debian software available > for all CPU's? > > Thanks, > Craig > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Phone: (703) 392-0303 Fax: (703) 392-0401 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hdclock ultra10
--debug shows hwclock using /dev/misc/rtc, which doesn't exist. Presumably a link from /dev/rtc would work. I've reported a bug against util-linux, feeling guilty about needing the prod. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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SV: SV: Booting Woody on my Ultra 10
I tried it after Woody was released. (Just a day or two ago). Mvh, Roger MartenssonE-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: +46-(0)63-16 54 45Cell: +46-(0)70-629 54 45 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetMeeting: Intranet only And dont forget: Magister Mundi Sum -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Ben Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skickat: den 23 juli 2002 17:38 Till: M?rtensson Roger Kopia: 'debian-sparc@lists.debian.org' Ämne: Re: SV: Booting Woody on my Ultra 10 On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 05:28:46PM +0200, M?rtensson Roger wrote: > Hi! > > Hmmm.. I recognize the size of the ISO file.. Can it be your > netinst.iso I tried before writing my poorly spelled cry for help. > > With that ISO I managed to install a working system but not to boot it > from the harddrive. Did you try it before or after woody released? -- Debian - http://www.debian.org/ Linux 1394 - http://linux1394.sourceforge.net/ Subversion - http://subversion.tigris.org/ Deqo - http://www.deqo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Sparc is best?
* Craig Morehouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020723 20:19]: > We had some early Blades last year, and I really thought that a dual > CPU Ultra2 was a better box. Based on my experience with the machines I have run Linux on (many of the 32-bit sparc systems, U1, U10, AX, AXi, AX1105), I'd have to say that a U1 E-model is probably about as low you'd wanna go. I had my fiancee using an SS20 with a 8MB CG14, a bunch of RAM, and two SM71's (75MHz, 1MB ecache) for a web/email machine... it was just too slow. Putting in a quicker turbo gx+ for a framebuffer would have reduced it to 8-bit video, which was also unacceptable. The system is also slightly slower than my U1/170E... and considering I see the U1/170E selling on ebay for around $125 makes it a trivial choice to go at least with that. The original U1s have no UPA slot, 10Mbit ethernet and narrow SCSI... the E-models have a UPA slot (for a Creator 2D/3D FB), 100Mbit enet and wide SCSI. The U2s also have those features found on the U1 E-models. The U5 and U10 are decent machines... moreso on the systems with the 2MB ecache (most of the U10s, and some of the U5s). One problem with those systems is that they have a CMD646U for an EIDE controller... a buggy chipset that Linux deals with poorly (mostly due to CMD's lack of desire to cooperate, I hear). All in all, I think I'd have to say that the U1/E, U2, U30 and U60 are you best bets. I'd also recommend going with Creator 3D framebuffers in 'em... not the Elite3D unless you wanna load some proprietary firmware to get decent performance. > Does Debian install nicely on the Ultra 5's and 10's? As you said, > there are plenty of 10's around at nice prices. It should install quite nicely on both of them... and the above mentioned systems. If you're going to maintain a lab of them, then I'd suggest setting yourself up with a local debian mirror to save bandwidth, and to netboot your systems the installation. Just in case... dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections are you friends. :) > Another question... Are there any Package disadvantages in using a > Sparc over an Intel box using Debian? Is the same range of Debian > software available for all CPU's? With the exception of non-free software... Adobe Acrobat, etc., it's pretty much the same. Besides the occasional bug of something that needs something like an endian or byte-alignment fix (getting more and more rare these days), the only issue I see is that Debian/SPARC is compiled for the lowest common denominator... the sun4c/sparcv7 systems. Those don't have the integer multiply and divide instructions... the only place I've noticed it is in using sshd, as it uses libssl (which apparently does a lot of integer multiplication and/or division). For the most part, fortunately, this won't be much of an issue. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
