Re: DEBIAN 3.0 on a SPARC Classic X
On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:42:01 +0930, woodsend writes: I got hold of a couple of Sparc Classic X's which I've converted to Classics by modifying the contents of the NVRAM. Now I can boot from a CDROM. ... For all intents and purposes the boot sequence has hung. ... any ideas on how to overcome this problem? If you have another machine on the LAN you can try booting via TFTP. cheers, rw -- -- ... Violent Non-Smokers, who _make_ -- smoking bad for your health. -- Jan Ingvoldstad, OOC signature.ng Description: PGP signature
RE: DEBIAN 3.0 on a SPARC Classic X
This isn't a bad idea (ie it would work), but I really wanted these machines to be stand-alone. cheers Jonathan Pratt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Waldner Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2002 17:08 To: debian-sparc@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: DEBIAN 3.0 on a SPARC Classic X On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:42:01 +0930, woodsend writes: I got hold of a couple of Sparc Classic X's which I've converted to Classics by modifying the contents of the NVRAM. Now I can boot from a CDROM. ... For all intents and purposes the boot sequence has hung. ... any ideas on how to overcome this problem? If you have another machine on the LAN you can try booting via TFTP. cheers, rw -- -- ... Violent Non-Smokers, who _make_ -- smoking bad for your health. -- Jan Ingvoldstad, OOC
Re: DEBIAN 3.0 on a SPARC Classic X
On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:19:34 +0930, woodsend writes: This isn't a bad idea (ie it would work), but I really wanted these machines to be stand-alone. you'd boot from tftp *once*, install stuff on disk and boot from there later on...duh. az -- + Alexander Zangerl + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + DSA 42BD645D + (RSA 5B586291) Cmdmt. XI: Thou shalt not inflict upon me thy useless prattlings, for I thy God am a busy God. -- Joe Thompson signature.ng Description: PGP signature
[PATCH for 0pre1v3] r128 and radeon without vgaHW problem fix
Hmm, I understand the problem.
radeon_drv and r128_drv require some vga related functions, defined
in xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/vgahw/vgaHW.{c,h}. But on SPARC
environment vgaHW.c will not build because SPARC machines does not
have VGA, so XF86VgaHw is set as NO.
Under build-tree/xc-xserver-xfree86-dbg, we will build the static
linked x server. Symbols are resolved on build time.
Perhaps, we should drop r128 and radeon driver support when the x
server build without XF86VgaHw define.
(or r128 and radeon drivers should update to be able to build and run
without vgaHW).
I put a patch to build fix on SPARC and new MANIFEST.sparc.
http://people.debian.org/~ishikawa/XFree86/4.2.0-0pre1v3/sparc/101_sparc_ati_without_vgahw.diff
http://people.debian.org/~ishikawa/XFree86/4.2.0-0pre1v3/sparc/MANIFEST.sparc
If XF86VgaHw is defined as NO (e.g SPARC envirnment), raoden and r128
drivers support will be drop with this patch.
And .debs for sparc with this patch also put on the URL bellow:
http://people.debian.org/~ishikawa/XFree86/4.2.0-0pre1v3/sparc/debs/
--
ISHIKAWA Mutsumi
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
artsd: SNDCTL_DSP_SETFMT failed
When I start artsd I get the following error message: Error while initializing the sound driver: SNDCTL_DSP_SETFMT failed - Invalid argument Sound works beautifully with mgp123. Can artsd be made to work? System: SPARCstation LX Debian: woody Linux: 2.2.19 Please cc me in your reply as I'm not subscribed to this list, Thanks, Shaun
Re: [PATCH for 0pre1v3] r128 and radeon without vgaHW problem fix
On Sam, 2002-08-31 at 19:24, ISHIKAWA Mutsumi wrote:
Hmm, I understand the problem.
radeon_drv and r128_drv require some vga related functions, defined
in xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/vgahw/vgaHW.{c,h}. But on SPARC
environment vgaHW.c will not build because SPARC machines does not
have VGA, so XF86VgaHw is set as NO.
Under build-tree/xc-xserver-xfree86-dbg, we will build the static
linked x server. Symbols are resolved on build time.
Perhaps, we should drop r128 and radeon driver support when the x
server build without XF86VgaHw define.
(or r128 and radeon drivers should update to be able to build and run
without vgaHW).
I put a patch to build fix on SPARC and new MANIFEST.sparc.
http://people.debian.org/~ishikawa/XFree86/4.2.0-0pre1v3/sparc/101_sparc_ati_without_vgahw.diff
This is a bad patch IMHO. Almost every driver uses vgaHW, how are the
others handled on sparc?
I see a number of better solutions:
- guard the vgaHW calls in the drivers
- build/fix/implement vgaHW on sparc (no, it doesn't require legacy
hardware)
- ...
--
Earthling Michel Dänzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer
XFree86 and DRI project member / CS student, Free Software enthusiast
Re: [PATCH for 0pre1v3] r128 and radeon without vgaHW problem fix
In [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michel Dänzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sam, 2002-08-31 at 19:24, ISHIKAWA Mutsumi wrote: I put a patch to build fix on SPARC and new MANIFEST.sparc. http://people.debian.org/~ishikawa/XFree86/4.2.0-0pre1v3/sparc/101_sparc_ati_without_vgahw.diff This is a bad patch IMHO. I have a question: Are RADEON and Rage128 supports need on SPARC currently? Some some SPARC workstation/server uses RADEON and/or Rage128? I know some SPARC workstations (e.g Ultra5) use mach64 graphic chip. So, we need mac64 support. We should not drop ati mac64 drivers. But I don't know RADEON or Rage128 graphic borad for SPARC. If RADEON/Rage128 board for SPARC does exist, we need more hack to support these (but I don't have the board and enough time to do this...). Almost every driver uses vgaHW, how are the others handled on sparc? These are all of the XFree86 graphic drivers for SPARC: ati_drv.o atimisc_drv.o r128_drv.o radeon_drv.o fbdev_drv.o glint_drv.o sunbw2_drv.o suncg14_drv.o suncg3_drv.o suncg6_drv.o sunffb_drv.o sunleo_drv.o suntcx_drv.o Only r128_drv.o and radeon_drv.o does use vgaHw calls. I see a number of better solutions: - guard the vgaHW calls in the drivers - build/fix/implement vgaHW on sparc (no, it doesn't require legacy hardware) - ... Yes, I think they are better solution if radeon and r128 support are needed on SPARC. -- ISHIKAWA Mutsumi [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: DEBIAN 3.0 on a SPARC Classic X
OK, Now I get it. But I hadn't established that the CDROM was the problem. The CDROM (seems to) have no trouble by itself. Its when the boot sequence looks at the SCSI bus that the whole thing falls down. I can't imagine that anything different would happen if I removed the CDROM (and left the HDD in place), so I wouldn't be able to save the system on the HDD in any case. Also this would be pushing the limit of my experience. (but hey I've obviously got some spare time, right) cheers Jonathan Pratt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2002 19:36 To: debian-sparc@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: DEBIAN 3.0 on a SPARC Classic X On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:19:34 +0930, woodsend writes: This isn't a bad idea (ie it would work), but I really wanted these machines to be stand-alone. you'd boot from tftp *once*, install stuff on disk and boot from there later on...duh. az -- + Alexander Zangerl + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + DSA 42BD645D + (RSA 5B586291) Cmdmt. XI: Thou shalt not inflict upon me thy useless prattlings, for I thy God am a busy God. -- Joe Thompson
Re: [PATCH for 0pre1v3] r128 and radeon without vgaHW problem fix
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 04:07:30AM +0900, ISHIKAWA Mutsumi wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michel Dänzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sam, 2002-08-31 at 19:24, ISHIKAWA Mutsumi wrote: I put a patch to build fix on SPARC and new MANIFEST.sparc. http://people.debian.org/~ishikawa/XFree86/4.2.0-0pre1v3/sparc/101_sparc_ati_without_vgahw.diff This is a bad patch IMHO. I have a question: Are RADEON and Rage128 supports need on SPARC currently? Some some SPARC workstation/server uses RADEON and/or Rage128? I know some SPARC workstations (e.g Ultra5) use mach64 graphic chip. So, we need mac64 support. We should not drop ati mac64 drivers. But I don't know RADEON or Rage128 graphic borad for SPARC. If RADEON/Rage128 board for SPARC does exist, we need more hack to support these (but I don't have the board and enough time to do this...). Well, i guess the Ultra5 have pci slots, so you could imagine putting a pci radeon or rage128 board in it, is it not ? I guess even the just released Radeon 9000 PCI boards could be used, but then i don't own a Ultra5 box, and don't know if many people will do this. Friendly, Sven Luther
Re: [PATCH for 0pre1v3] r128 and radeon without vgaHW problem fix
In [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sven LUTHER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 04:07:30AM +0900, ISHIKAWA Mutsumi wrote: I put a patch to build fix on SPARC and new MANIFEST.sparc. http://people.debian.org/~ishikawa/XFree86/4.2.0-0pre1v3/sparc/101_sparc_ati_without_vgahw.diff This is a bad patch IMHO. I have a question: Are RADEON and Rage128 supports need on SPARC currently? Some some SPARC workstation/server uses RADEON and/or Rage128? I know some SPARC workstations (e.g Ultra5) use mach64 graphic chip. So, we need mac64 support. We should not drop ati mac64 drivers. But I don't know RADEON or Rage128 graphic borad for SPARC. If RADEON/Rage128 board for SPARC does exist, we need more hack to support these (but I don't have the board and enough time to do this...). Well, i guess the Ultra5 have pci slots, so you could imagine putting a pci radeon or rage128 board in it, is it not ? I believe the firmware on these cards are written in ix86 code, so these cards will not run on the SPARC. -- ISHIKAWA Mutsumi [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PATCH for 0pre1v3] r128 and radeon without vgaHW problem fix
On Sam, 2002-08-31 at 23:16, ISHIKAWA Mutsumi wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sven LUTHER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 04:07:30AM +0900, ISHIKAWA Mutsumi wrote: I put a patch to build fix on SPARC and new MANIFEST.sparc. http://people.debian.org/~ishikawa/XFree86/4.2.0-0pre1v3/sparc/101_sparc_ati_without_vgahw.diff This is a bad patch IMHO. I have a question: Are RADEON and Rage128 supports need on SPARC currently? Some some SPARC workstation/server uses RADEON and/or Rage128? I know some SPARC workstations (e.g Ultra5) use mach64 graphic chip. So, we need mac64 support. We should not drop ati mac64 drivers. But I don't know RADEON or Rage128 graphic borad for SPARC. If RADEON/Rage128 board for SPARC does exist, we need more hack to support these (but I don't have the board and enough time to do this...). Well, i guess the Ultra5 have pci slots, so you could imagine putting a pci radeon or rage128 board in it, is it not ? I believe the firmware on these cards are written in ix86 code, so these cards will not run on the SPARC. SPARCs have Open Firmware, right? If so, Mac cards might work. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer XFree86 and DRI project member / CS student, Free Software enthusiast
Re: [PATCH for 0pre1v3] r128 and radeon without vgaHW problem fix
In [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michel Dänzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sam, 2002-08-31 at 23:16, ISHIKAWA Mutsumi wrote: Well, i guess the Ultra5 have pci slots, so you could imagine putting a pci radeon or rage128 board in it, is it not ? I believe the firmware on these cards are written in ix86 code, so these cards will not run on the SPARC. SPARCs have Open Firmware, right? If so, Mac cards might work. Ah, I forget about this. Anyone test about this? I have CPI based SPARC workstation(Ultra30) but, don't have any graphic cards for PCI Machintosh. Andif they are works on SPARC, I know some ATI chips and Voodoo chips cards are released for PPC mac. We should add XFree86 Voodoo driver for SPARC. Is it right? -- ISHIKAWA Mutsumi [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PATCH for 0pre1v3] r128 and radeon without vgaHW problem fix
Andif they are works on SPARC, I know some ATI chips and Voodoo chips cards are released for PPC mac. We should add XFree86 Voodoo driver for SPARC. Is it right? The answer is maybe. You will need to dump the rom of the cards in question and ensure there is no ppc assembly in there. I discussed this with Ani Joshi in regards to using a PCI Creator3D card in a Power Mac and he said that although the card was OF it might have sparc assembly in the rom. I suggested sending creator pci cards to xfree/ppc people to get better support for them since there is more active development on that side. -jeramy b smith
